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What would cause the denticles beneath the date to look like that?
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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these coins are notorious for strike issues due to their composition. tough call here. obv looks MS but it would take a rotation of the coin to determine light wear that we may not see in a photo. the reverse is questionable. you can see the weakness in the leaf between K1 and K2. I'm going to say AU58 or MS62 leaning toward MS62
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Slightly broadstruck. AU 58 slider
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Some serious clashing and die cracks, especially on the obverse. Looks like some doubling in AMERICA, and perhaps an RPD or MPD too. I think the weakness is strike-related rather than wear, so I'd say MS-63.
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I'm terrible at these, so I'll sit this one out.
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What would cause the denticles beneath the date to look like that? Strange doubling, isn't it? I was never much interested in error coins, so it's not surprising I don't have an answer. I'll bet someone can explain it. Maybe I'll post it on the error forum after the reveal. All I know is that I don't agree with the grade NGC gave it. |
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MS-62, a lot going on with that one.
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Off-center clash
Very common on 1865 3CN's
No worse than MS64
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Revealing a little early cuz I'm eager to post this to the error forum. I just can't work out MS61. The strike is soft, but I've seen much much softer at MS63.  |
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Ridiculously undergraded IMO
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no doubt the reverse is what they knocked it for.
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I don't agree with 61 either, but all the clashes, soft strike and doubled (?) denticles maybe the reason it got a 61.
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Weird thought:  I would think die clashes have nothing to do with a coins actual grade, instead would be a mint error. We all would agree it is post-mint dings and wear that determines the grade, but not weak strikes, clashes, gouges, etc...  61 seems to me a tad low myself; I'd put this coin more like a 64ish with weak strike provided the zones of weakness on obverse show no breaks in mint luster. So it's plausibly reasonable to assume one could have a MS-68 or higher coin with heavy clashing, and multiple gouges and those features don't actually knock the true condition of said coin...  |
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