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I'm thinking fake as well. Maybe Mike needs to get in on this fun  John1  |
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Second strike goes in different directions on date and IGWT.
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how is a coin double struck on one side only? Just spit-balling here, but I don't see how that is possible. So either the rev is double-struck, but so perfectly that there is not a single design element even slightly doubled or else a counterfeiter prepared a purposefully jenky obv die such as opined by @pete. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I agree with bringing Mike in.
-makecents-
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Throw me a bag or two of popcorn, GMS5.  -makecents-
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I seen this before on another site different coin . I always like the counterfeit coins it was maybe coin talk. That one turned out it was two guys from the Bronx in the 1960's scamming collectors they altered a 1964 cent also same thing one side but rotated differently..
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I can't imagine any way this is authentic. Mr. Diamond opinion is not needed IMO.
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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I think fake - the secondary (weaker) 'IN GOD' are not in the correct alignment.
Plus the date is only slightly rotated CCW, while the Motto at the top has a much larger rotation.
Edited by Dearborn
11/03/2023 9:32 pm
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It appears to be a soft die counterfeit. The rotation is CW on all elements but the focus of the rotation is not the center of the coin so it looks a little different from one side to the other. As noted above, there are a lot of these from 1964, but other dates are known have such strikes as well.
And a point of note. "Rotation" is the direction from the weak set of devices to the final strong set because on a real coin the weak part was struck/hubbed first, then rotated to the second position and made the strong bit.
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 That's what it looks like, soft dies. |
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...very interesting ... seems it would have been a lot of effort to produce this fake ... does anyone crying "fake" have a good explanation as to how this was achieved? ...
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TB: "And a point of note. "Rotation" is the direction from the weak set of devices to the final strong set because on a real coin the weak part was struck/hubbed first, then rotated to the second position and made the strong bit."
This was helpful information to me and explained perfectly. Thanks
Edited by kurdlezuit
11/04/2023 2:10 pm
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This is a fake "one-sided" double strike. The obverse was struck by a counterfeit die of relatively soft consistency. The soft, blended overlap between the primary (genuine) design elements and the secondary (fake) design elements is characteristic of such crude counterfeits.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Hmmm I took some measurements based on the photo and the distance between specific points on the doubles reduces from left to right. And given how the date doubles NE - it had to have been a different die (and a smaller one at that) that hit the first strike. Has to be a fake.
Examples:
- Top Right G - 68 pixel spread
- Bottom left D - 64 pixel spread
- Bottom Left W - 57 pixel spread
- Bottom Left S - 39 Pixel spread
Edited by DOCC
11/05/2023 11:50 pm
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