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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am also at MS65 straight grade. Beauty.
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Taiwan
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Fayette1800 you and panzaldi are late to the party. The grade has already been revealed by the OP. Bump111 nailed it, market grading.
Edited by Everest
12/11/2023 11:44 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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@Bump111 - I agree. This MS60 seems to be saying "UNC Details but not quite 'details' enough to call it that." Or, "Really really close to AU58 but we don't want to call it circulated because it's too pretty." Or both. Or, "we threw a dart at the wall." They don't value coins, but they'll grade it based on what they think the value should be. MS60 is a weird grade to assign to this coin. Is it a 64 that they think is worth half as much, or a 62 that they think is worth 88% as much?
I suppose there's also an outside chance that it's a "mechanical error."
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think this is just a mishandled MS coin. Nothing they could see to "details" it but not a choice example either.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
My guess is it's an AU coin bumped up. A true 60 is unusual and beat to heck. This clearly is not beat up. The luster loss on the obverse says AU+.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm a bit surprised by all the comments about cleaning. I see the obverse hairlines but they look very faint and IMO should not dictate a problem coin. Detail looks Unc but the minor friction and luster impairment suggests AU-58.
Overall eye appeal seems pretty good.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I've seen PCGS detail coins with hairlines that I couldn't see unless I was using a loupe. I'm a little surprised that PCGS chose the net grading route. I thought that was ANACS's ball of wax and the 2 leading tpgs stayed away from that.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Clearly a punt at PCGS, no point in debatng it further. G'night.
Edited by Coinfrog
12/11/2023 9:49 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm late here but it looks like they net graded an unc coin because of the obverse wipe. Still looks quite nice and was probably a bargin.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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 with the average opinion of the CCF members. |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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panzaldi are late to the party. The grade has already been revealed by the OP. i have no idea where my brain was. I had previously responded prior to the in hand post  i agree with several of the others regarding a net grade on this one. MS60 is a strange grade for this coin |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with the Unc details suggestions.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A true 60 is unusual and beat to heck. This clearly is not beat up. The luster loss on the obverse says AU+. Not always true. With earlier material that circulated heavily, usually barbers and earlier, low mint state grades likely mean light rub on the high points. An MS-61 bust half will not be bag marked, but it will have light circulation. Clearly there is light rub on the high points, showing that the grader thought it deserved an uncirculated grade, but netted the coin due to the circulation. I have seen this many times on lower denomination Barber coins. I see what people call a "wipe" as an effect of the photography and will not be outstanding in hand. I would grade this piece an AU-58+. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Australia
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On one hand, I tend to ignore TPG's opinions. On the other, I also think, that on average, they are reasonably close to the mark, - most of the time. But not always. That is why I prefer to grade for myself, despite the fact that sometimes, that I may be less accurate than the TPG's. At least, I save grading fees and shipping costs. |
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