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Quote: As Raymond Reddington said, any information no matter how small is important to someone. Great reference. 
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There may be additional info to help us all understand better, but it appears that the OP backed himself into a corner. The loan officer, based on all statements and balances, sees that OP needs to pony up 5k to complete escrow and he doesn't see it ANYWHERE. It may be that with this type of loan, the face amount of the loan is fixed. I think ordinarily any fees and closing costs can be folded into the loan (i.e. increasing the face amount of the loan). Although not great for the borrower because he has borrowed more and his monthly mtg is a tad higher, it greater simplifies the process.
With the benefit of hindsight, many months ago the OP should have made all his balances fat, happy and liquid in anticipation of escrow.
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Pillar of the Community
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I got it figured out now...stay legal as always by reporting sales of bullion on federal taxes, keep your mouth shut and incrementally deposit fiat into account several months in advance. I did get a kick though when the loan officer was looking at my federal returns and bam! there it was "reported and paid coins and bullion" ya for all I know they probably would have called me liar liar pants on fire and denied the loan. All good now but I don't like it not one bit. This bank is on my short list we can use one another then break up once they sell my loan.
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Glad to see you got it all sorted out. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks for that background info, Helder. Most insightful.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Yet pretty much even everything except boxers or briefs is out there They know that too. Stores track all your purchases now and are apparently sharing with the government (search gun sale tracking). This is indeed enlightening. Perhaps selling your bullion in the BST or to a local shop could avoid some of the scrutiny. That said, I am not sure why the mortgage company is concerned if you pay your gains taxes or not. My broker does not check to make sure that I pay capital gains on stock sales.
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Quote: I am not sure why the mortgage company is concerned if you pay your gains taxes or not. My broker does not check to make sure that I pay capital gains on stock sales. They were not checking if taxes were paid, they were verifying the source of the money.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: They were not checking if taxes were paid, they were verifying the source of the money. That is not what the OP said: Quote: If I couldn't prove I've paid capital gains taxes on bullion and 2. Couldn't produce a bill of sale on bullion then my lender would have bailed.
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Valued Member
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Lender was trying to verify where the 5k would come from. Borrower was caught flat footed and said he'd sell stock. Lender says prove it. Borrower backtracks and says he'll sell PMs. Again lender says prove it.
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Quote: If I couldn't prove I've paid capital gains taxes on bullion These are the "words", but they were looking for proof of the source of the money, they don't care what taxes were paid. The sale could have actually produced a loss. It is the amount of the sales price being $5,000 or more that they are looking for.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes the capital gains tax will be less than $300.00 come tax time. My broker/Realtor whom I hired to represent me is in the millennial generation and I sense her tensing up during our signing festival's. My impression is I'm "that addendum guy" I don't care as i.m.o. their pushing the bounds of common sense I've demanded the following from seller: A disclosure statement and fix issues found in inspection that will be a problem with VA and with me. Im paying cash for: inspection of structure, sewer line scope, radon mold lead paint etc etc, survey with existing boundrys marked and pinned. I was told this was unusual and I'm incuring additional expenses but "OK go ahead". Here's the kicker haha before I finish the deal my attorney has to give it his OK then they get my final John Hancock thats in an addendum. So if your patient and do things right your a wet blanket? Too bad I would never buy real estate without due diligence. Bank and realtor have attempted to get me to do everything on line I declined nope it's a sit down with me so what if closing takes 40 days instead of 23. Yep were living in a different age and time.
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Well there is indeed a war on cash. In fact in July of 2023 Fednow went live which means anyone from JPMorgan to a mom and pop diner can now pay and get paid instantly via the Fednow network. The Fed set up Fednow because it wants to make the dollar into a CBDC ... a Central Bank Digital Currency. The Fed and other Central banks are very scared of the cryptos and they really want to curb them in. The way they will do that is via creating their own cryptocurrency which is just a digital dollar and then they will go and shut down bitcoin once everyone is on their network. This will of course start out as optional and the digital dollar will basically transact side by side with cash but at one point once a critical mass of people are on Fednow and use the digital dollar the US will basically declare all notes no longer legal tender. Other countries do that all the time whenever they have new notes. Some like the UK would still honor any old note at face but only if you physically take them to the Bank of England in person. Others like Switzerland actually void their banknotes completely. Regardless the US will eventually do this also but probably not for a while. The first thing to happen will be for the USD to become digital. If Biden wins again this year it will happen in his term, if Trump wins then it won't happen then but will do when the next Dem becomes POTUS at the latest. It is true that not allowing cash can give SOME protection against criminals but they usually have some alternative way of transferring money such as cryptos or even "fine art".... in reality a digital currency will give unprecedented control to any government. And that is seldom a very good thing.
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Valued Member
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Thought I'd send this topic back to the top as I think it addresses a problem that we all might face eventually. This guy has a similar problem as the OP. https://www.ebay.com/itm/335546867153
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Interesting. 
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Pillar of the Community
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PM's are winning the war right now, but who knows in the future. It is surprising that they are still increasing in value when 2 year CD's are yielding over 4%.
What is disappointing is the sheer number of high grade PM collectable coins on the market at 5-10x their value as bullion. The market for double eagles is strong at $2500 but not at $25,000. The premiums being asked are outlandish for coins that aren't particularly scarce, especially for the branch mints.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 09/11/2024 11:39 am
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