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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Unable to see the surfaces from these photos.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm pretty good at what I do: 30+ years of looking at coins from both the collector and seller's points of view has given me a decent "eye" for grading. If I could make a living at it, I'd love to be a numismatic researcher, auction cataloguer, or something along those lines.
This forum has been tremendously helpful in learning how to more accurately grade coins. When I first came here in 2015 I struggled a lot. There are so many tremendously knowledgeable folks here that have helped me along the way and I've gained a lot of confidence in how I assess potential purchases; and membership in clubs like EAC has been helpful as well in learning how to evaluate and grade early coppers and colonials.
That being said, I'm very surprised with the grade, TBH. I had this pegged as at least a 65. Cameo for sure. Like I said, it's difficult to determine CAM vs DCAM from photos alone with no context to measure the depth of the mirrors (reflections.) Unless this photo has somehow been doctored, I see nothing that would merit a full 2 point distraction from Gem Proof!
This is a common proof (relatively speaking) but even so if I could buy this at 63 money I'd buy it and cross it to NGC or even CACG and see if I could get it into a 64-65 holder or 64 with a bean. Unless these photos have been heavily doctored, I'm just not seeing the problem here.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
04/24/2024 12:06 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
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  I would be appreciative to also know what the community uses to clean the plastic and then compare between these pictures to the pics after a good cleaning. I have jansjo lights as well but I took these pics using daylight. I would never doctor a photo and waste everyone's time. That would be messed up on so many levels especially since time can't be bought. With my 5x and 10x loup with the coin tilted I still don't understand why this coin resides in a 63 holder. Thanks so far for the help. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Valued Member
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I could see it possibly going 64CAM, 63CAM seems fair though. There are numerous disruptions on both sides of this coin. Proofs are not graded as MS pieces. The standards are completely different. If judging this one per MS standards then it's easily 65, but it's not a business strike.
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
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Excessive hairlines and disturbances. The coin appears to be in an earlier PCGS holder so chances are the coin is maxed out and has already made a trip to CAC.
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04/24/2024 6:41 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I think a lot of the hairlines arnt on the coin and are on the holder. What's the best way to clean the plastic on the slab ....then what's the best way to get small scratches off if there is a way which I'm sure there is more than one. Thanks guys!! And gals
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Valued Member
United States
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Also a lot of what looks like hairlines is actually the reflection of the devices if you look real close. I wish I could show everyone that's commented what this looks like in hand. I've cracked coins out and sent then to PCGS before and they've crossed and made a full grade up. Although, never have sent a proof in for grading. Also would be scared to crack this out!
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Valued Member
United States
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Excessive hairlines and disturbances. The coin appears to be in an earlier PCGS holder so chances are the coin is maxed out and has already made a trip to CAC. This coin has never been sent to CAC. I know this for a fact. |
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Pillar of the Community
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What's the best way to clean the plastic on the slab ....then what's the best way to get small scratches off if there is a way which I'm sure there is more than one. To remove holder scratches purchase some Meguiar's PlastX at an auto store. You will also need a micro fiber cloth. Put the PlastX directly on the holder and rub as long as the Plastx is still moist, then, quickly rub dry with a dry part of the cloth. Repeat until you get the desired effect. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Also a lot of what looks like hairlines is actually the reflection of the devices if you look real close. I wish I could show everyone that's commented what this looks like in hand. I've cracked coins out and sent then to PCGS before and they've crossed and made a full grade up. Although, never have sent a proof in for grading. Also would be scared to crack this out! With it residing in a PCGS PR63CAM holder there's zero chance I'd crack it out. Some of the hairlines are reflections or on the slab, understood. From the images, it can't be all of them. The 63 grade indicates as much. You never know if it might pull a 63+ or 64 today. A reconsideration or regrade eliminates the risk of crack-out. Also remember strike plays no role in grading this piece or any other proof coin. A chunk of the grade on business strikes (MS) is for fullness of strike. Proofs are all assumed to be 100% struck up. |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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you new photos show some hairlines in the fields. this is very common on high mirror surfaces of a proof coin. mainly due to polishing. once you eliminate any marks on the holder I'm betting thats what we are seeing for the most part. its hard enough to grade business strike coins by photo let alone proofs. we don't have the actual coin in hand to rotate it. I think its another miss by the TPG's |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Proof-63 CAM seems fair considering the hairlines. A very nice looking coin.
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Valued Member
United States
104 Posts |
It's one of my favorite coins and I've been comparing it to the few others I've seen with the same grade. I want to send it in to CAC and I need to see if my LCS can submit for me. If I could add a video of the coin I would. Thanks guys and at the end of the day I know better...Buy the coin not the slab.
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