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1914 FRN $50 1039B Note For Grading And Comments

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 Posted 05/04/2024  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So this is an auction? What's the bid?
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 Posted 05/04/2024  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add igwt79 to your friends list

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So this is an auction? What's the bid?


$646.00

https://www.ebay.com/itm/386964871893
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 Posted 05/04/2024  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
I'm not comfortable with the weakness at the bottom of the blue seal and "series of 1914" beneath it. Makes me wonder if the note was washed. Note also the lighter vertical area to the left of the left serial number. I'm far from an expert, but my gut tells me that when something looks wrong, it frequently is. Could be fine, but I'm out.
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05/04/2024 1:47 pm
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 Posted 05/04/2024  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list
I believe the note has had minor work performed on it. There's typically a good reason why a $500+ large size note isn't in a graded holder. Personally, I'd wait for a different example.
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 Posted 05/04/2024  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Thanks, Steve, for confirming my thoughts. This one's not for me.
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 Posted 05/05/2024  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Sold for $1225. Just crazy money IMHO.
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 Posted 05/05/2024  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Steve - why do you think the note has been worked on? Anything in particular, or...?
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 Posted 05/05/2024  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list

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Steve - why do you think the note has been worked on?

I used the ebay link to view the note and saw what I thought was lightening of note where there were once stained folds, on both sides of the note.
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 Posted 05/05/2024  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
I feel that I did the right thing to walk away from this one. You guys are teaching me and I appreciate it very much!
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 Posted 05/06/2024  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t25135 to your friends list
Probably good that you let someone else have it at that price. T&P had this info for past auction appearances for that note:


1914-FRN-$50-1039B-Note-For-Grading-And-Comments

T&P is a great tool especially if you're wading into the raw note arena.
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 Posted 05/06/2024  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Talk about a deceiving picture!
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 Posted 05/06/2024  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
I assume that T&P is a subscription service that I am not familiar with. Again, I have to thank you all for educating me. I'm learning little by little, but raw notes certainly seem to be a crap shoot. I guess your only protection is a 30 day return. That said, I don't want to waste a dealer's time or my own - especially if the dealer is selling a doctored note!
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 Posted 05/06/2024  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoolBreeze to your friends list
Hard to believe this $50 was once graded a Fine 12. It looks like a worked on VF. Was the picture altered too?
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 Posted 05/06/2024  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list
The sellers ebay photos were a bit more detailed.
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 Posted 05/07/2024  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list
I took the liberty to enlarge some problem sections of the $50 note in question. I have seen enough doctored notes that these spots jumped out at me without enlargement or zoomed images. So I thought it would be beneficial to take a few screen captures when enlarging just to point out the suspected regions of interest. Creases are obvious through the president's face/seals but suddenly disappear on the white paper regions. Personally, I find smudgy looking borders to be the 1st big "red flag" & then I start to magnify as much as I can:

The first section as described in the OP shows where eraser (or some other abrasive) has been used near the blue seal. "Series of 1914" where the "f' & "4" have nearly been obliterated. Parts of the inner border seem too faint:
1914-FRN-$50-1039B-Note-For-Grading-And-Comments

Below is a vertical region which looks to be erased or doctored where there was once a typically darker crease. Note how the left bottom curl of the "F" (Frank White's) signature has been lightened:
1914-FRN-$50-1039B-Note-For-Grading-And-Comments

There is a portion in front of the ship's bow that looks like it might have had rust or some stain removed as well (in between the computer > guides):
1914-FRN-$50-1039B-Note-For-Grading-And-Comments

I agree with the feedback that when you're looking at notes of this price range, you're better off selecting a trusted TPG certified note. Still inspect it as you would any other note (certifiers are imperfect too), but then proceed slowly (& with caution).
Edited by walk2dwater
05/07/2024 08:56 am
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