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I have seen better Fakes on Temu
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Everyone - What are the qualities that make you believe this is fake?
I see a potentially genuine but heavily damaged example. Can you take a photo of the edge? The lettering and design on the edge is usually poorly done or missed entirely on fakes, so that would be a big hint regarding authenticity.
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What are the qualities that make you believe this is fake?
Position of the top berries on the reverse of a 7x6 star obverse coin? Or were there different dies in 1799? I obviously don't know.... OP coin with top berries coming off of the stem in a straight line:  Compered to a genuine example: berries reaching up coming off of the stem:  Edited by Marv65
12/02/2024 8:40 pm
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I'm with @jacrispies. I checked PCGS site and the first I looked at (BB-169) has straight berries. There are many dies for 1799.
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Position of the top berries on the reverse of a 7x6 star obverse coin? Or were there different dies in 1799? I obviously don't know.... If you "obviously" don't know, why did you offer a conclusive answer of fake? There is over a dozen die varieties. If you use a specific device placement for comparison, be sure to state what variety you are choosing. We need to be more careful before we give advice for someone to trash a $1,000 coin. Seen this many times on this forum. Inexperience paired with confidence leads to terrible advice. If you don't know, you don't know. If you know, state why you know. Especially when a lot of money is on the line. I am speaking to everybody. And I need to be more thorough with my responses as well, so I am preaching to myself. Many counterfeits are made with dies or molds created from a genuine coin, so confirming the match of a die variety does not confirm authenticity. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Everyone - What are the qualities that make you believe this is fake? Quote:
If you "obviously" don't know, why did you offer a conclusive answer of fake? Well you asked and I told you why I thought it was fake. Now I know, thanks for the information. I didn't see anybody else telling why they thought it was fake. |
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I'll be more careful next time before assuming, if it's genuine.  Errers and Varietys.
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12/03/2024 4:40 pm
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So is it fake or genuine? I'm now confused.
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I think the point is that when you really don't know, you are telling someone that their several hundred to a thousand-dollar coin is worthless.
What leads me to believe it is real? the obverse (note the date, raised 7) matches known examples. The reverse is hard to tell with the image.
Could it still end up being fake, sure. As jacrispies mentioned, it could be a fake made from a real example. The edge will normally give that away.
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My first impression, other than this being a very banged up coin, was that I didn't see anything jump out to indicate a fake. I'm curious what everyone who confidently said fake is seeing. I think the chances that a first time CCF poster has a genuine 1799 dollar are low, and the amount of damage on the coin and poor photos makes it suspicious, but I don't think we should just jump to conclusions.
Obviously, an accurate weight and dimensions are important to know, and if the design matches a known variety, testing for metal content may also be helpful. It's quite possible this is a counterfeit, but I'm not ready to conclude that yet based on these photos.
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I'm not convinced its a fake. I walked through several of the varieties and there are common markers between some of them. just too many to check. position of the 7 in the date. star placements. placement of lettering etc. if it was mine I would take some time to try and match it up also, the coin looks like it could have been in some type of bezel holder possibly a necklace based on the look of the rims on both sides heres the link to various varieties https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/.../most-active |
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