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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have to concur that those are not the same coins and that the top pics are of an 1866, not an 1868. However, the coin you actually received seems to be the better of the two  On the top coin, the D and S in UNITED STATES have some strike weakness that is not present on the bottom coin but the top coin has much bolder shield lines and wreath so that is a good thing. Edited by biokemist6
05/19/2009 12:45 pm
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Yep, different coins.
The UNITED STATES is clearly visible in the auction photo, while the same letters are very weak on the received coin.
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United States
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 with everyone. From your top picture it's obvious the coin you received is an 1866. |
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United States
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United States
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no question 1866.
Buy your dealer a magnifying glass.
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United States
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When I saw the coin you rec'd I thought it was an 1866, not an 1868, and after looking at the other 1868 that you posted, I am not even sure that it's an 1866.
And the first six in the coin you received, 1866, looks different than the six in the 1868 that you posted. The first six in the coin you rec'd is much fatter than the six in the 1868. I suppose the sixes could have looked different in those two years.
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Tonyspics wrote: Quote:
When I saw the coin you rec'd I thought it was an 1866, not an 1868, and after looking at the other 1868 that you posted, I am not even sure that it's an 1866. You are definitely right! I hadn't noticed but the 6's on the two 1868 coins ARE different! One is like the 1866 coin (more rounded) and the other is much more narrow and upright! What the hey? Does anyone have info on this? Were there two different "6" types for the 1868 2 Cent coin?  Edited by Moe145
05/19/2009 5:44 pm
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United States
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Maybe it's a 1866 with 6's over inverted 9's...  A one of kind here-to-fore undiscovered mint error! (Possibly worth $ Billions $!!  ) |
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United States
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It's definitely not an 1868, but like I said, it's possible that the 1866 die had a different six than the 1868 die, which would account for the different sixes. But the second "six" in the coin you rec'd has definitely been "tooled" to make it look like a six. They spent a whole day on coin counterfeiting when I attended the NGC seminar in Portland a couple months ago.
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05/19/2009 6:24 pm
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Not the same coin. Report this seller and hopefully by some miracle, he'll be reprimanded. Don't get your hopes up though. ebay has as many shady scamsters as it does legit sellers. swcoin.ecrater.com
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United States
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First, thank you to the Staff for correcting/amplifying the Title of this post.  Second, update: The ebay seller has agreed he sent me the wrong coin and will refund my PayPal payment if I return the coin. (Yes, I'll send it back registered with confimation of delivery!) Caveat Emptor my friends! |
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 United States
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There are several varieties of 6 in the 1868 Two Cent coin. Measuring the gap between the ball and the flat will usually tell you which variety it is. There are also several RPD varieties that alter the appearance of the 6. |
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United States
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Definitely not the same coin you bid on. The coin you bid on WAS a 68. The coin you received is a 66 and definitely much better than the coin you bid on. (Might check his other auctions and see if possibly you got someone elses coin.) The typical 1868 does have a different 6 than the 1866. I don't know if there is more than one date font used that year. There is often a change in the font from one year to the next on 19th century coins. (Having a set of photo of the different date digits used each year is often useful in Counterfeit Detection.) Also note that the date logotype on the 1868 is more strongly curved than that of the 1866 logotype. (On the Two Cent Pieces the dates were punched into the die using a four digit punch not individual punches.) |
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Conder101 wrote: Quote:Definitely not the same coin you bid on. The coin you bid on WAS a 68. The coin you received is a 66 and definitely much better than the coin you bid on. (Might check his other auctions and see if possibly you got someone elses coin.) The typical 1868 does have a different 6 than the 1866. I don't know if there is more than one date font used that year. There is often a change in the font from one year to the next on 19th century coins. (Having a set of photo of the different date digits used each year is often useful in Counterfeit Detection.) Also note that the date logotype on the 1868 is more strongly curved than that of the 1866 logotype. (On the Two Cent Pieces the dates were punched into the die using a four digit punch not individual punches.) I have learned in the short time I've been on this forum that when Conder101 speaks, we all should listen. Thank you for your information! This is what makes this Forum the best! |
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United States
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Listening is fine, but don't just accept what I say blindly, sometimes I am wrong or I miss something. As with anything else, when someone tells you something compare it to what you all ready know and see if it makes sense. If what you are told is in conflict with what you already know, ask questions and find out which version is correct. That's why I know what I do, I always question and look for errors in presented data. (I thank my parents for teaching me this philosophy.)
Edited by Conder101
05/26/2009 8:41 pm
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