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PCGS Called This 1878 8TF Morgan Silver Dollar Cleaned - Do You Think It's Worth Resubmitting?

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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list
Unimpossibe, do you see any of these "cleaning lines" crossing the devices, especially around "BUS?"
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
Remember that PCGS looked at this coin under 10X magnification. I don't think that a resubmission will result in a straight grade.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
It does look cleaned to me. I can see heavy deep scratches on the obverse. I believe PCGS was correct calling it cleaned. Not worth resubmitting as I don't think it'll straight grade.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list
@adam126402 I don't have the coin in hand yet but when zooming in on the TrueView pics they do not appear to cross over the devices or the letters BUS. With the PL Obverse I had hoped that these might be polishing lines.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list
@Errers and Varietys what area(s) do you see heavy deep scratches in?
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I would say no based on the area around BUS.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list
I'd say the consensus is Cleaned. Once I have it in hand I will repost if I have any reason to doubt it. Thanks for the opinions all, I appreciate it.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
The area below BUS could have been effected by just the simple wipe of someones thumb (maybe yearssssssssss ago) and that's all it takes for a detail grade. No to the resubmit.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The OP example has a mirror finish in the fields. A simple wipe puts cleaning lines on the mirror finish. I have a Morgan PL example that has both die polish lines and cleaning lines from a wipe that PCGS straight graded and CAC stickered.
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 Posted 05/31/2025  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list

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@Errers and Varietys what area(s) do you see heavy deep scratches in?


I see scratches around the BUS of PLURIBUS. Not deep, but definitely noticeable.
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 Posted 06/01/2025  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list
Slider you should create a thread and show us good photos.
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 Posted 06/01/2025  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list
Agreed, @Slider23 I'd love to see some pictures of that example if you have any.
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 Posted 06/01/2025  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The example is a 1901 O PCGS OGH CAC MS65 PL. The wipe lines are hard to photograph, but they are noticeable in hand. PCGS choose to straight grade the example with the light wipe lines. On a PL and DMPL it does not take much to put minor wipe lines on the mirror surface.

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 Posted 06/01/2025  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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The OP example has a mirror finish in the fields. A simple wipe puts cleaning lines on the mirror finish. I have a Morgan PL example that has both die polish lines and cleaning lines from a wipe that PCGS straight graded and CAC stickered.


That happens sometimes although less frequently do you see a CAC sticker on one like that. TPG cleaning calls are often the flip of the coin on borderline cases. The OPs example could go either way imo.
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 Posted 06/02/2025  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverskunk to your friends list
Pity cause the rev looks really nice. Thats such a rough looking cheek area tho and the cheek always draws so much attention. I cant answer the question but I'd like to slap the guy who did this to such a nice coin.
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