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Marve65: Yes, I'm sure 
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The more I look at it, the more I see a damaged 3. Now, could a tool have caused the damage? Yes. Could it be an improbable hit? Yes. Improbable is not impossible. I am not going to commit to one cause over the other without seeing it in hand.  |
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IMHO, this PCGS "assembly line" certification error enhances the value of this altered coin. It adds an intriguing storyline to this damaged coin. Furthermore, it begs the reasoning behind certification at large. I'd keep it and not resubmit it!  On the flip-side, I'm saddened to see PCGS rivaling NGC in the blunders department. Edited by ExoGuy
07/24/2025 11:37 am
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On the flip-side, I'm saddened to see PCGS rivaling NGC in the blunders department.  |
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Marve65: The think that the referenced "Damaged" is due to the gash on the neck
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07/24/2025 3:16 pm
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Just because you had a rude waiter at the restaurant, doesn't mean the entire restaurant business is faulty. In this case the restaurant served up salmonella-encrusted chicken. Yes, PCGS is to blame. It is their process: from receipt, to grading, to quality control. I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorationsDirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccawDirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting |
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In this case the restaurant served up salmonella-encrusted chicken  |
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The think that the referenced "Damaged" is due to the gash on the neck If that is really the case then PCGS really made a bad call. |
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I hardly believe this a fundamental failure of the process.
Simple mistake , like all of the grading services make .
I have at least four or five Each from ANACS , NGC, PCGS .
that are all mislabelled in one way or the other .
Surprisingly, there are collectors who buy "error" labels .
If you are that unhappy over the situation, get it fixed .
The grading services will be only too happy to oblige .
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Probably an 1835. Definitely an altered date.
Errers and Varietys.
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Oldgrouchyguy, is this even your coin?
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jacrispies: no, it is not mine-I don't think it's anyone's at the moment. It was in an active auction with bids, but since has been pulled.
Pacificoin: A labeling mistake is having the date "1839" on a 1939 coin's slab, or calling a colonial coin being from Connecticut, when it clearly a Vermont coin (my friend has that one). Nope, this is a much more an egregious mistake than being a simple "Ooopsie". I had a high-grade 3PG 1835 N-12 Large Cent, which had all of its stars re-engraved, a fact missed by the certification agent
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07/24/2025 8:32 pm
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It matters because PCGS treats altered-date coins differently to damaged coins. A damaged coin gets slabbed in a Details slab. A coin where PCGS determines that the date has been deliberately altered to make the coin appear as if it had a rarer date, is classified by PCGS the same as a "Counterfeit"; such coins are supposed to be bodybagged and not slabbed. That PCGS slabbed the coin and described the coin as an 1825 cent and "Damaged", rather than an 1835 cent in a bodybag, indicates that they did not notice that it was actually an 1835 altered date. If they had slabbed it as an 1835 cent and called it "Damaged", that would have indicated they noticed it wasn't really an 1825, but concluded the alterations to the shape of the 3 were natural and unintentional random damage, rather than a deliberate attempt to turn the 3 into a 2. That the tooling was "good enough to fool the TPG" pushes me toward it being intentional damage i.e. an altered date. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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