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So this strikes me as a details first and foremost. Quote:
When you look at it indeed the details are almost all there I believe Silver101 was using "details" in a grading sense and not referring to the features of the coin. |
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Anyone notice the bottom of the E in DEI is very very faint as in missing?
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Canada
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@Handi1 - ha - did not! That's not a mint-related error that I'm aware of so I would be inclined to think it's PMD of some kind. But would be interested in seeing a close up... |
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@Silver101 , coin was sent to ICCS, will post here the result of the grading (not expecting much). I sadly could only prevent damage on it for 30 years out of 168 of its existence :).
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Didn't receive it yet but I saw the update on my submission form of the result.
It came out as...
Too corroded , rtrn (return)
Such a dissapointment, I wasent expecting much but at least confirmation of the variant and details for sure.
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Bummer.  |
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Yep official.  I cannot disagree, it had better days but I was at least hoping it would be mentionned Blundered I on it. What would you guys do? Send it for professional restoration and PCGS graded? Remove it from there and get a local coin dealer second opinion? Remove paper from ICCS and write Blundered I on my own? Put it in a box and forget about it for another 10 years? I mean I saw a blundered I on https://www.ebay.ca/itm/286607906707 with a hole in it that gives me the impression it has better value then mine. Edited by majoly83
03/27/2026 2:28 pm
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@majoly83 - as the saying goes, 'it is what it is'. The blundered I is not in dispute, nor is the corrosion. Based on the detail alone, I would put it at VF-20; it would be VF-30 without that massive scratch across the obverse.
I would be inclined to leave it in the flip that ICCS sent you and add a tag of your own with the missing info. Anyone who is interested in the 1858s (and there are lots of us!) will know enough to see the corrosion so the resale value is likely low. I've never liked the term 'filler' but some would say it applies here. There are lots of coins like this out there - my feeling is that if you're interested in them, then keep them.
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Canada
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Very difficult coin to aquire without issues and lower grade. I have an PCGS AU58 tied finest. Its up for auction April 29 Heritage platinum night. The coins was originally in an ICCS flip EF45. This variety has 2 different reverse dies one has a die break between 3 and 4 o'clock (yours) and the other is around 2 o'clock. The one between 3 and 4 seems less common in all the examples I've seen.
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03/29/2026 2:32 pm
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bummer about the grading you got.
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@collector67 I'm surprised by the grading difference you got between ICCS and PCGS—quite an upgrade from one to the other.
Your experience gives me some hope, and I'm considering taking a chance and submitting mine to PCGS. You never know—they might at least recognize the variety. At this point, that's really all I'm hoping for.
It may be a gamble, but I think that even if it comes back with details, it would still carry more value than keeping it in a cardboard holder with my own writing on it. And if it comes back unrecognized, at least I'll know I gave it a shot.
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Its definitely a blundered I so having it on a holder wont really increase value. Not sure why ICCS didn't attribute it,as you can't miss the blundered I. I have another coin that I sent it was an 1909c sovereign MS62 PCGS graded it AU58 so you never know whats going to happen.
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There is a large difference on the term blundered . To to others, especially earlier on, it was not a "bundered die", but alignment mark for aligning the mark within the die keeper, so both sides align. You will see the same thing on other dates on/in earlier Canada coins. To me, your coin looks like a 5/5 as well. You also have sub-punch damage on the R in Vicky and the E in Dei. I don't think that they are true die chips, as they probably had broken pieces missing from the subpunch, just like broken typewriter machines sometimes do. I'm sorry that you got a "details" grade, but yours is a very collectible coin to keep around as examples of what can happen at the mint, plus whatever was toxic in the ground. NICE!
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06/02/2026 11:15 am
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