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18th Century? Unknown Italian Silver Medal Judaica?

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 Posted 06/20/2009  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list
Futuri Latin for Future

UMBR Latin for shade; ghost; shadow

CORPORIS substantial/material/concrete object/body; particle/atom; corporation| guild

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 Posted 06/20/2009  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eliyahu to your friends list
Thank you for your replies. Unfortunately, there are no marks along the edge.
As to the meaning of the medal and inscription: As Figman did, so am I. I translated the inscription word by word and find it a mix of Latin and Italian (?), that what makes me think it's Italian in origin. In the end I came to free translate as I proposed: The shadow of the past (In the side of the Hebrew symbols) and something like: Changed into the symbols of Christianity.
But all the Questions still stands. I will post another silver medal out of my private collection which I can't identified of waterloo battle(?).
Many thanks for the responses,
C. Eliyahu.
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 Posted 06/20/2009  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list
The Figman sees Figs & Fig leafs, my kind of coin.

Also looks like a Minora too.

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 Posted 06/21/2009  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
I believe this is an Antwerp medal of round and about 1750- 1850 which has something to do with a church or monastery. The vanitas skull and dove of peace tells me so. Latin text is catholic-minded. Never the less, the absence of makersname tells me that it is something clerical. Lettering suggest early belgian, maybe G. Braemt.
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06/21/2009 11:54 am
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 Posted 06/21/2009  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eliyahu to your friends list
Thank you very much, any info' helps. The fact that it doesn't have maker name does't necessarily means that it's clerical to me, because when an artist believe that it's work will scream his name, he sometimes not sign/mark it.
Thanks again,
C. Eliyahu.
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 Posted 06/21/2009  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texan connection to your friends list
It is a beatiful coin, Id love to hear more about it
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 Posted 06/21/2009  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
I don't think there's anything specifically anti-Semitic about it. The two motifs seem to me to be based on 2 Corinthians 3:6 - "The Law kills, but the Spirit gives life". Of course, that doesn't mean that the makers of this medal weren't the kind of people that would use this verse (and others) to justify anti-Semitism.
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 Posted 06/21/2009  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eliyahu to your friends list
I think that's the point of the artist/maker who made this medal Sap. The artist/maker convey his message mostly by art.
Look at the side that describe the Judaism, the way I see it the medal describe the Judaism and The Old Testimony as religion of war, cruelty and death : Skull, snake wrapped around the Ten commandments, on the plate a sheep with knife on his neck perhaps as symbol to Jewish slaughter ritual, the leafs are pointing downwards. This side of the medal gives a gloomy feeling.
In contrast, the Christian religion/The New Testimony described as the successful religion: A figure -perhaps Jesus- raising his hand upwards and this time on the plate we find pieces that perhaps symbolize the richness and prosperity of Christianity. Also, the leaf are pointing upwards ext' ext' ext'.
Now, add the discription that clearly state that the Judaism is Umbra (Shadow). So, the medal is not saying "I hate Jews" or something like that but it has something to do with that indirectly.

Thank you for your reply,
C. Eliyahu.
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 Posted 06/23/2009  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
Antwerp in Belgium has a large percentage inhabitants of Jewish origin, as did Amsterdam in Holland. remember diamonds are forever...grinn. In Holland we call these kind of medaltokens pieces of History. Looking by the way it has been struck it is the firm belief that it is a Belgian origin. The rim tells me so. Go to Antwerp and look for churches and synagoges, there you may find your answer.
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 Posted 06/23/2009  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eliyahu to your friends list
I will try to do that Valutarick.

Thank you very much again,
C. Eliyahu.
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 Posted 06/28/2009  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eliyahu to your friends list
As to now, no new information was found about this medal, in spite of my best effort. If anyone know by whom it was made or definite country in which it was made in, in what year ext' will much apprecaite it.
I'm sure it wasn't done by Jewish maker and the meaning of the medal is known (More or less, see the correspondence above). All other information is still bleary.
C. Eliyahu.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AJL to your friends list
A great coin for the collection.
I found this: Italy(?): religious/ Church medal in white metal/ silver(?), ND (mid 18th Century); not maker-marked; size: 39mm; weight: 21.15g. Obverse: images associated with Judaism; Latin legend "HÆC CORPORIS UMBRA FUTURI" ('The Body Shadow'). Reverse: images of wine and literature; Latin legend above "PRÆSENTIS SYMBOLA CHRISTI" ('Feast of the Christ'). A known but unidentified medal (Sally Rosenberg 1932 #1308; "Numophylacii Ampachiani" cat. 1830 pt 2 #8987): per Rosenberg the artist is Martin Omeis; per Antoine-Feill (1908) it's "EF" (which Bernhard, "Medaillen und Plaketten" p.213, renders as Carl Enhörning).
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 Posted 07/08/2017  02:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RogerRamjet to your friends list
What a beautiful old medal. Regarding interpretation, I think it's a Christian medal representing the Holy Communion (aka Eucharist or Lord's Supper) involving the symbolic consumption of the body and blood of Christ. The dead Jewish lamb represents the body of Christ (Christ is often called the Lamb of God), and the chalice, presumably with wine, represents the blood of Christ. I don't see anything anti-Semitic about it.
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 Posted 07/08/2017  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list
The hebrew text on the two stones are the ten commandments (I think)
Do I see any writing under the lamb?
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 Posted 07/09/2017  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Angielczyk to your friends list
Shalom

I found the medal on Historama.com with the attached description. Maybe it will help.

Harold


Italy(?): religious/ Church medal in white metal/ silver(?), ND (mid 18th Century); not maker-marked; size: 39mm; weight: 21.15g. Obverse: images associated with Judaism; Latin legend "HÆC CORPORIS UMBRA FUTURI" ('The Body Shadow'). Reverse: images of wine and literature; Latin legend above "PRÆSENTIS SYMBOLA CHRISTI" ('Feast of the Christ'). A known but unidentified medal (Sally Rosenberg 1932 #1308; "Numophylacii Ampachiani" cat. 1830 pt 2 #8987): per Rosenberg the artist is Martin Omeis; per Antoine-Feill (1908) it's "EF" (which Bernhard, "Medaillen und Plaketten" p.213, renders as Carl Enhörning).

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