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1909 Half Eagle-D Or O?

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 Posted 08/02/2009  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list
Thanks for all the input guys! One more question for the group. Since ANACS has already certified it as a D, which I'm seriously beginning to doubt in light of opinions of those on the forum and other collectors I know, should I try another TPG? And if so, which one? I was thinking about giving DGS a try, or maybe NGC or PCGS. My local dealer who is also a dear friend, has direct submission to both. I've never been a fan of PCGS, but in light of my recent experience with ANACS on this, I'd definitely be willing to give them a shot if they're good at Indian $5s.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electric_Op_Ltd to your friends list
I'd try and cross it over. This is an interesting dilemma, do keep us posted. I'd be really curious about this, by the way what grade was assigned?

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 Posted 08/02/2009  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
How interesting. I had a similar quandry several years ago, though my example was more worn than yours. Anyways, I decided that it was a D( It was actually purchased as a 1909 P), but I'm not entirely sure either. Here is a link to the thread in cointalk that disussed it, and there is other relative information regarding these coins:
http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t36031-2/

I thought I had a thread here too, but I couldn't find it.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntsman53 to your friends list
I believe that there is enough questionality to the Mintmark to crack it out and submit it to another TPG! However, keep the ANACS holder in case you have to re-submit it to them for re-holdering. Send it to PCGS and if it comes back in a bodybag as altered or no decision, then send it back to ANACS to be re-holdered. This is probably the safest way to get it either certified and graded as an "O" Minmarked 1909 Half Eagle or to get it re-holdered as it was, as a genuine "D" Mintmarked 1909 Half Eagle!


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 Posted 08/02/2009  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I have to admit a little curiosity as to why this discussion is going so deep - there's nothing at question here that a 10x loupe won't answer immediately.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list
SuperDave, perhaps it is the thrill of the hunt?
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 Posted 08/02/2009  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntsman53 to your friends list

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the left side of the mint mark on yours is ambiguous enough for me to think it's an "O."

As such, based on the reverse only I'd grade it around $5000.



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With the understanding that tooling to change the mint mark remains a possibility (heaven knows there's enough incentive), my opinion stands.



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I have to admit a little curiosity as to why this discussion is going so deep - there's nothing at question here that a 10x loupe won't answer immediately.


Dave,

Based on your first two quoted statements given the bracketed statement "(heaven knows there's enough incentive)", I was little confused as to really which way you were leaning! I am sorry but it just seemed in the first, that you were saying genuine and the second, you were hedging on the that but still saying that you stood by your original statement. Maybe I am reading too much into them!


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 Posted 08/02/2009  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list
If it would be that "cut and dry" using a 10X loupe, Why are we talking about breaking it out of an ANACS slab and resubmitting? I'm pretty sure ANACS has a 10X loupe.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I was little confused as to really which way you were leaning!


What I see in the pic looks to me like a New Orleans mint mark. I wouldn't decide based on that one pic, but if you held a gun to my head I'd call it an "O." Trouble is, I don't think I'd attribute this one even from pics I took myself.

If it's a New Orleans coin, it is far too valuable to be making these decisions based on small pics posted on ebay. However, the original poster can settle the issue for good with 5 minutes and a $10 loupe, and I'm just feeling a little frustration that we've spent two threads discussing a question so easily answered.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list
Sorry about all the trouble, I did give it a look with a 10X loupe and I saw an O. So I will do what you all suggest once I got it back from ANACS, I'll crack it out and send it to another TPG and get their thoughts. I'll keep you all posted on how it turns out! Thanks again for all the help! I'll move on from this issue now.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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So I will do what you all suggest once I got it back from ANACS, I'll crack it out and send it to another TPG and get their thoughts.


Although I've heard the same stories about occasional mistakes from ANACS as well as the other TPG's, ANACS seems to be the best of the bunch when it comes to making things right. Your preference is, of course, most important here - and PCGS would be the best if resale is on your list of possibilities - but if your plan is to hold the coin, I might consider giving ANACS the chance to take care of you. It'll cost a lot less.
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 Posted 08/04/2009  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list
Well, here's the resolution. I took the coin to a very trusted dealer and friend today, and he said it's a D. So I'm accepting defeat and going with it. I'm off U.S. gold, and on to Mexican. It'll be good trading material if nothing else. Thanks for your input everyone.
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 Posted 08/04/2009  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
This reminds me almost exactly of my 1909-DO ordeal I went through....and I basically came to the same conclusion that you did. Kind of funny actually..lol. I ended up selling mine as a D, but I was never fully convinced.
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 Posted 08/05/2009  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list
It's so close, with the increase in value, I'd crack it and take a chance.
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 Posted 08/06/2009  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list
I'm sadly pretty convinced with mine. It's a D. But I'm going to make the best of it. I'm thinking of trading it towards an 1889-CC Morgan. At least there's no question with that one.
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