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Valued Member
 United States
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I looked into ICCS but don't really like their holders. plus, I read a couple of articles about them letting a few fakes slip though the cracks and certified them a real. Don't know much about CCCS. I will check their site out and see what they are about before making a final decision. Thank for the input.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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i looked into that CCCS and the soft flip cought my eye think I have some coins I may send to them
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Valued Member
Canada
166 Posts |
Hello,
I am an American in Canada (for 5 years) who is developing a fairly serious collection, at least in certain areas.
For what ever reason, Canadians have NO respect for NGC. I get outrageous bargains on NGC coins here, even best ever graded.
They have more respect for PCGS. An attractive PCGS coin can draw good money.
But.....they have complete (perhaps misplaced) faith in ICCS (not CCCS). For an American, the best of all worlds is to get PCGS certification and cross certify at ICCS. They will give you a certificate without taking the coin out of the PCGS slab. If a coin is worth it (and ICCS is a small price after PCGS) highly cross-graded coins are worth more than a coin graded by EITHER service. It increases my bid typically 50% above PGCS and 15% above ICCS alone.
I hope that helps,
Steve in Edmonton, Alberta
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Canada
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It increases my bid typically 50% above PGCS and 15% above ICCS alone. Hello Steve, are you sure about that? Normal guidline as far as I know,unless it is a rare coin, is PCGS -10% =, NGC - 15% = ICCS grade/Price..,. However, I seldom buy slabbed coins.... Perhaps I am totally out to lunch... |
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Hello Steve, well as far as ICCS goes, I'm not a fan.. My experience with them is they have favorites for sure for whom they will give better grades... As a test I submitted the same coin on 5 seperate occasions using the help of a few family members.. All 5 times it came back with different grades... Another fellow tested PCGS and NGC they cam batted 75% or so the same ... And CCCS have not tested them but have sent many coins to them and to say I am pretty happy... Now for the better deals selling ICCS I have trouble getting 50 % of trend for their slabbed coins ... And I have been at this for quite some time.....
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hello,
I was in New Jersey when NGC started and personally like US slabbed coins over their Canadian equivalents. I personally consider PCGS and NGC to be interchangeable up to and including a 65 grade (after which I think PCGS a bit tougher).
I am not a fan of ICCS. While I own hundreds of ICCS coins (along with nearly as many PCGS and a few dozen NGC) for the areas I collect, Canadian PL dollars and MS large vents, PCGS coins sell at a huge discount to ICCS and NGC coins are almost unsaleable, especially NGC Canadian large cents.
For the kind of material I collect, PCGS might typically sell at 50% ICCS and NGC at 10%-20% ICCS. I personally have the #1 NGC Canadian Cent registry set for 1911-1920 including several best graded, but I have made it as a curiosity. It has almost no value here in Canada.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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steve do you have a link to your large cent registry love to take a look at it
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Canada
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Canada
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If you want accountable consistent grading of Canadian coins, CCCS is the way to go IMHO! As for the comment about ICCS letting fakes by? Can you provide more info? I would love to hear about this.
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United States
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steve that is awsome thank you for sharing now I know what a large cent looked like when they were new
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Valued Member
United States
79 Posts |
I agree with Steve, go PCGS and then cross grade with ICCS, IF you are a U.S. collector and plan on selling in U.S. Market.
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Canada
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coinsrfun or anyone else if you would go to my ccf and send me your email I will send you a couple of pictures of a 1948 Canadian dollar graded and certified by ICCS. This dollar to me is highly suspect and in my opinion is a fake as the image of the king is totally wrong.  with going with CCCS in Canada (have not heard of any issues with their grades and they seem to not play favorites) With PCGS in the USA as I am very pleased with what I consider a true and fair grade on my 48 $. Last point.. I prefer a grading company that has a web site that anyone can verify any coin. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Not having a web site is the main turn off to me with ICCS. Why wait on the phone forever for something you can get done in seconds over the web.
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Valued Member
Canada
166 Posts |
I collected for many years in the US before moving to Canada 5 years ago. Not judging if they are good or bad, ICCS is THE service that is respected in Canada. Here it is like PCGS + NGS + ANACS together would be considered in the US. PCGS is considered "sort of" a grading service and NGC is viewed here like many of you might view Accugrade. It may not be fair, but that is the way it is here. I wonder if the 1948 dollar referred to above is Chinese. An ICCS holder would be easier to fake than an American "slab", which I understand is now happening. I don't think the US has done it yet, but the Canadian government recently (effectively) threatened anyone knowingly selling unlabeled (Chinese) reproductions of Canadian coins. This was specifically directed at ebay and reproductions of Canadian coins marketed by Chinese firms have disappeared fro ebay in the last 2 months. Although they will linger as a problem. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Three cheers for the Canadian Govt. I read the article in Coin World about that. FYI. I also read that fake PCGS holders will not stack. They may have fixed that, but it would be a good first test. |
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