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Valued Member
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Hiya. I'll chime in as well. :)
I also believe it to be real. The bridge on the nose is usually weak and disconnected, and the "font" is usually hard to replicate.
I am in the "authentic" boat.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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For lack of a better word, the coin above "feels" real to me--die struck and the right look of age. As a comparison, here's an obviously cast/toned 1899 fake:  Edited by DVCollector
10/26/2009 12:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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hello d23
what did it finally sell for. did not attend the auction.
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The 72 is real. The 99 is not cast, however is a fake made in China, circa 2008.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The 99 is not cast--is it struck? Good to know, I was just going by the pebbly surfaces and loss of low-relief detail:   |
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Canada
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DVCollector what excellent close up pictures, sure brings out the flaw in the queens mouth. What do you use to get these results  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks! Those were shot with a Nikon D70S and their great macro lens (the 60mm).
Edited by DVCollector
10/26/2009 9:59 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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Based off the closeup pictures I would say the 1899 was cast. If it was struck those pebbles and pits wouldn't be there. The impact of the Dies onto the planchet is enough force to smooth out the surface of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bad clean job makes it appear suspicious.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The dies are very crude for these fakes. Also the planchets are slag (White Metal). They are struck. The silver plated versions have greatly reduced pitting. DV, check the rim, you will find no "trim line" that a cast coin woould have. Trust me, Jing, or H.K. will not take the time to remove it.
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well now, lets see how you all fair determining the authenticity of these 50 cent pieces....  MKB, you have great knowledge, what is your take on the original 50 cent posted by d23 ?  now, lets see what the outcome is on these? answers will be a few days down the road...  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I no longer have this coin, as it was loaned me to take some photos. It would be interesting to re-examine for evidence of striking. Right--it did not have a trim line on the rim, but this is also hidden on many pressure-cast fakes. I'll take your word on the striking, and the process to create the dies produced that granularity. Here's one more interesting detail of a double-punched "S" on the original coin was transferred to the fakes.  |
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United States
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hhbkiddo, as for the images of the first 50c coin posted on this thread, I cannot tell for sure if its real or fake. It looks real, and its not one of the replica coins sold on ebay earlier this year. Having it in hand would help quite a bit in inspecting it. Finding fake 50c coins is tougher because you usually want a number of coins in various grades to develop an understanding for what is authentic. And to own 5 or more 50c coins from the period for each date becomes an expensive proposition. The only folks that handle enough volumes of these coins are the certification services. But, there is now a new (at least new to me) problem of fakes on the market. If you own gold bullion coins or are considering buying some, then this may interest you: http://www.tungsten-alloy.com/en/alloy11.htmApparently("rumor" only), some LGD bars sent from the London OTC market to Hong Kong were discovered to be filled with tungsten. This is bad because if true, then the Bank of England and/or HSBC will have some interesting explaining to do. Also, seems some other countries are double checking their LGD bars as a result. And checking for tungsten is not easy from what I have read so far... |
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From that "gold substitute" site: Quote:
...most important is that its density of 19.25g/cm3 is just about the same density as gold (19.3g/cm3), which bears the similar specific gravity. These advantages make tungsten enjoys the superiority to be the best substitute for the costly metal of gold or platinum....a coin with a tungsten center and gold all around it could not be detected as counterfeit by density measurement alone. Nice how they discuss this so casually.  When you "substitute" the core of bullion or coin with a cheap metal, that's simply done to defraud, nothing more. Once these fakes get in circulation, who will be the wiser?  |
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