Ebay Buyers That Scam~

This should be the key. If you have signed delivery confirmation, then PayPal refunds your money. It's usually cut and dry.

PayPal and ebay can be a real hassle but it sounds like you did your part and it shouldn't take this long to get the money back.

I would start with the shipping address, and the one(s) who signed for the shipment(s). The rest is "cut, and dried".
Reading this, It seems that I inadvertantly "hijacked" the thread. not intentional, but it does relate to the situation, in that both the originator of the thread, and I have a common problem, ie, the return of our monies from PatyPal. situations different, but similar, as well.


Here is another situation that has come up, (at least for me):
You send money to an email address. The address that the monet was sent to, is NOT the PayPal address, so the recipient does NOT receive the money. Nor do you get your money back from PayPal!?!? This happened to me. I bought some goods from a seller, (not necessarily an ebay seller), but a seller, nevertheless. I used his normal email address, and sent the money to him. He sent the goods to me. Then I asked if he had gotten his money yet, to which he answered no. He asked which address did I send the money to, and I told him. He said I don't use that address anymore, because I lost money with it. ( The same thing that happened to me, happened to him. TYhat is how we both found out about the(wrong)address thing. So I sent him the money to the new "spcified" address, and he received the money. NOW comes the problem: HOW do I get MY money from pay Pal? Both addresses are a matter of record at PayPal. I have them printed out every now, and then, for my inventory records.
Anyone else have this problem? Any ideas as to how (we) can get our money rreturned? In my case it was only $20.00, but twenty bucks goes a long ways, when you are on a fixed income!
Dick
Any comments, and/or suggestions are werlcome!

I seem to have an embarrassing habit of potentially letting my often abrasive and blunt dialog come across as "know it all" or glossy and cavalier about important situations. I apologize to the board as a whole for some of it, and to the OP if I let too much show of my impatience for the lost.

Back to my point- While I would always think to describe myself as the LAST person to defend paypal. I have sold and shipped vehicles internationally using paypal among others for fund transfers and payment resources. As with anything outside the more traditional cash on barrel head method there are bound to be those that try to exploit the loopholes. I have seen more scams than you can shake a stick at. Some are darkly assembled with creativity nothing short of brilliant to try and legitimize their methods to prevent reconciliation/prosecution. Bottom line is there is ALWAYS a way to proceed but timing is EVERYTHING. Waiting or thinking you will file when you get a chance or etc is exactly what NOT to do. Windows close, once closed it doesn't matter who you speak to or who you try and leverage and bark at. The indifference is in place firm and solid to keep everything on path. Once closed....sorry. Lesson learned the hard way. Next time do not wait.

Paypal has a system in place. Whether it 1.00 or 100k the system is the same and treated with the same indifference from the institutions involved. Follow through is where everything breaks down.

The banks, the post, the shippers, the escrow companies and paypal themselves have a dedicated staff on hand because of this criminal element that seeks out to exploit such loopholes. Each entity has a track record and historical experience allowing them to be familiar with most all situations. Only akin to a NY cab driver that has seen it all. Fund transfer companies have also seen it all with scam and BS smoke and mirrors. Both sides, seller, and buyers try all sorts of sometimes ingenious strategies hence the funding company's indifference to anyone involved. Just the facts, following the procedures in place and fulfilling the requirements dictated by each seemingly unique situation. Bottom line is they see through it. They have seen it before.

I smell something off. No way to put a finger on it and I am not casting blames but something is very wrong with a two month process that should take less then a week for a conventional investigation to run its course.

I again apologize if it sounds like I am stuffing my nose or opinion so bluntly into something I have no business. I only say with earnest, from one member to another with experience do not wait. Call them directly and get specific instruction about who what where when and why you need to do. Nothing vague. Ask for specific answers with specific expectations and deadlines for accountability.

You should have your resolution completed within hours. If you need any phone numbers please just ask. I would email them to you but your not linked to receive.

Get em!

-RFB

Paypal's time limits only apply to Paypal balance transactions. Payments funded by a credit card do not apply. If Paypal gets charged back by a CC company, they will charge you back regardless of the time frame. Different states/CC companies have different laws/rules on CC chargeback time limits. Paypal has no say in the matter and they will not eat it. As Nohope says, if they don't recover it, neither will you.

As I've stated many times though, the Paypal risk is no greater than you taking CC payments yourself. There's risk in business every day. Did you know that just because a check "clears" doesn't mean it can't still bounce later?

Not that this should be a big surprise. ebay protects buyers to the ends of the earth but for the sellers - good luck.

Speaking of luck, with any, we'll recoup our funds this time as the merchandise is long gone.

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I am a ebay seller. We are at the mercy of a person being honest. You can even have signed confirmation and ebay will refund money to the buyer. The buyer is always right and the seller is always wrong unless you are Overstock.com or one of the big ebay customers. Ebays day will come.

clembo, this may sound a bit far fetched by why not try filing a complaint with the FBI? This is clearly a case of deliberate fraud. And since it involves bank transfers and crosses state lines it's a federal offense. With others who have similar complaints it shows a pattern and it shows intent.

I say try it.

Interesting, very interesting all of this.
However, here is another wrinkle which happened to me. ONLY foresight saved my butt.
I sent a coin to the buyer after it was paid via paypal.
it was sent expressmail at my expense.
Delivery confirmation was on hand with a signature on line.
2 weeks later the buyer wanted to know when he could expect the coin...............
go figure.......
He claimed he received an empty envelope...
all that counted for ebay and PP is that the buyer complained that he did not receive the coin.NOT that I had a signature, like in SIGNED for by....
Needless to say I was not a happy camper and sent an email to the buyer via the ebay system.
I advised him in no uncertain words that I have a witness and pictures of the coin being packaged and sealed (truth, always do this with coins over $100), and that I will lay a complaint with the Police to investigate for possible fraud or theft.
Got an email the following day explaining that "his young son" somehow took the coin from the envelope when he was not watching......and that he now found it....
I let you guys be the judge on this one...
H