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 Posted 12/24/2009  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list

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I can guarantee you that when you buy a 2 million dollar coin, the ngc/pcgs slab is the very last piece of documentation you look at if at all.


Go look at all of the top dollar coins that have sold on Heritage. Every single one of the coins that sold in the 2-3 million dollar range were in PCGS or NGC slabs. According to RedBook the highest grade 1913 Nickel is "PF66" implying that it, too, has been professionally authenticated and graded.

I understand what you're saying about the magnitude of the coin being above and beyond a slab. But apparently it's not completely out of line as one might think.

I do agree that the CAC sticker is pretty absurd, though.
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12/24/2009 1:26 pm
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 Posted 12/24/2009  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arktekt3j to your friends list
I would have to wonder if the auction company requires it then. I don't use heritage too often. Have you ever seen a coin on there site raw? If not, why not?
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 Posted 12/25/2009  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
The two 1913 Liberty nickels that are currently on display in the
ANA Money Museum in Colorado Springs, CO are not encased in slabs.

I should know, I saw them in person last Tuesday!

Included in the display was a complete list of who has owned all five
of the 1913 Liberty nickels, since Samuel Brown's 'set' was broken up
in the 1940's.

The 'Walton' specimen is on loan to the museum, and the 'McDermott'
specimen is now a part of the museum's permanent collection.

The Olsen 'Hawaii 5-0' Specimen is the 'token' that Heritage is auctioning.
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 Posted 12/25/2009  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
That's an interesting question. If you took one of those cracked it and had it slabbed by a third tier service and then consigned it to one of the major houses but refused to let them reslab it, would they refuse the consignment? Heritage for one will not auction slabs except for the top two tiers (and they auction very few raw coins) What would they do if they got a major rarity in a third or fourth tier slab and the owner wouldn't let them move it to a top tier slab? (Heritage is a part owner of NGC so most consignments that aren't slabbed already get shipped off to NGC, unless the consignor specifically requests PCGS.)
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 Posted 12/25/2009  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
I don't think Heritage is interested in playing games with people that would do things like that. My guess is that on the big ticket items that they independently authenticate the coin anyway. Even a $2 million dollar coin is only 0.3% of the value of their auctions over the course of the year (they report $700 million in auctions last year), so they may figure that it would do more harm than good to let someone break the rules as then everyone would want to do it. Anyway, that scenario is so unlikely to occur that I can't imagine it ever happening.
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 Posted 12/25/2009  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
Conder, that's not true. Heritage auctions an abundance of ANACS and ICG coins.
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 Posted 12/26/2009  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
I wonder how much the slab itself would be worth, I'm sure it would have collectable value even without the coin in it.

-XoG
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 Posted 01/08/2010  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
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 Posted 01/08/2010  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I think one of the reasons these are graded is because even though they were 5 of them, each one that had these five wanted theirs to be the best of the 5 and no matter what they thought they didn't have a chance of proving it unless it was graded by a third party. Another reason is there is only 5 of these known to exist and without authentication there would be no way to prove the one you has was real. The CAC sticker is worthless in my opinion, because everyone knows which one is the best of the 5 and everyone knows who has owned each and everyone of them and all have their own merits just on that fact. So the CAC sticker on any of the 1913 nickels is pretty redundant
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 Posted 01/08/2010  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list

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I wonder how much the slab itself would be worth, I'm sure it would have collectable value even without the coin in it.


It would, look at what this empty box sold for. The buyer left good feedback too!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...250556035550
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 Posted 01/09/2010  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Captainkurt,

From the looks of it that buyer hasn't left feedback yet (correct me if I'm wrong). I see someone left feedback on Dec. 21 for a similar lot, but he only paid $49 for it. This one sold for $650! I can't imagine the buyer really meant to pay that much for just a box, but who knows. The seller is very clear that no coin is included so any mistake is completely on the buyer's end.
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 Posted 01/09/2010  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list

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From the looks of it that buyer hasn't left feedback yet (correct me if I'm wrong).


May not have left feedback but look at these:

Auction closed $575.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-W-50-Gold-...OX_W0QQitemZ250552918495QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_Bullion?hash=item3a561e21df

Auction closed $489.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-W-AMERICAN...OA_W0QQitemZ260530995831QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_Bullion?hash=item3ca8db8277

All three for just the box!!
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 Posted 01/09/2010  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
I'm usually a fan of OGP, but not when you could buy a gold coin for
what those boxes went for!
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 Posted 01/15/2010  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
650 bucks for an empty box?!?!?!?!

you could make money off the 1913's just by getting them slabbed, cracking them and selling the cracked slabs. I bet you could do it with any super rare coin, pure madness...............
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 Posted 01/16/2010  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Great idea, Xavier! Now I can justify buying an
MS-67 1893-S Morgan.

I'll just crack it out every two months, and send it to PCGS and NGC
on an alternating basis (and maybe ANACS once every two years or so).

Who wouldn't want a top-tier TPG MS-67 '1893-S' Morgan slab?!

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