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Who Says Don't Hoard Copper Cents?

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 Posted 01/20/2010  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list
Hey! Jbuck, you found that old thread I was looking for! I believe that second link was what I was talkin about. Thanks!
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 Posted 01/20/2010  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
A) You won't get spot when you sell it
B) You'll have to pay a fee for melting
C) You will likely have to spend money to hire a truck or large pickup to transport them to the melting place.
D) You would need to hoard a lot of them to really make any kind of money on a net basis after all your expenses.
E) Who knows how long it will take before it is actually legal to melt them!
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 Posted 01/20/2010  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list
Another thing I have, in the back of my head, is that whenever I have kids, it will be nice to have a bunch of rolls of circulated coins for them to search through, should they be interested in coins. I kinda doubt there will be as many "old coins" in circulation 10 or 20 years from now. So, while technically I'm saving copper cents because they are copper, I don't really plan on selling them (even for 2 cents each) anytime soon.
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 Posted 01/20/2010  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Hey! Jbuck, you found that old thread I was looking for!
You are very welcome!

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... is that whenever I have kids, it will be nice to have a bunch of rolls of circulated coins for them to search through...
I feel the same way about the copper cent and nickel hoards that I am building; they are going to be for my son if he takes interest in the hobby.
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 Posted 01/20/2010  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list
My dad always said "Man I wish I would've kept that" or "I wish I had taken better care of this" or "I wish I never let my 'friend' drive my '67 Camaro." So I take that as advice, therefore I'm going to keep some things, take care of some things, and NOT let my 'friend' drive MY '94 Camaro.

Sorry, I'm digressing a bit, but there's a good point in there somewhere.

Oh wow...spell-check highlighted Camaro and the first recommendation was 'Camry'!
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Sorry, I'm digressing a bit, but there's a good point in there somewhere
There is. Thanks to you father's advice, you are thinking ahead and not about the quick score.

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Oh wow...spell-check highlighted Camaro and the first recommendation was 'Camry'!
D'oh!

Mine suggested 'camaraderie' as the first choice.
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 Posted 01/20/2010  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Having been MIA for a while, I maybe out of touch but is it not still illegal to melt cents for copper? If so, what good does it do to weigh the floor down with coins. Or, has something happened I am not aware of?

From 1964 to 1971 it was illegal to melt silver coins so I imagine everyone who hoarded all those silver coins out of circulation were pretty foolish too weren't they?

A) You won't get spot when you sell it
True but who pays spot for silver or gold?

B) You'll have to pay a fee for melting
Not true. You don't pay a melting fee for silver of gold when you sell it do you? That has been figured into the price the smelter pays. You would only pay a melting fee if you are having them melted and then returned to you.


C) You will likely have to spend money to hire a truck or large pickup to transport them to the melting place.
Possibly. So hire a large truck and buy up everyone elses cents at a small discount so you can haul in a BIG load and make money that way.

D) You would need to hoard a lot of them to really make any kind of money on a net basis after all your expenses.
Maybe, see above. It also depends on how quickly copper goes up. The chart above shows roughly a 100% incrase in the past year. What else has show a 100% per annum return on investment this year?

E) Who knows how long it will take before it is actually legal to melt them!
Just means more time to hoard even more of them.


Consider this. During the time period when melting silver coins was illegal the premium of the metal value over face was a fraction of the face value. If you had waited until the metal value of the silver coins was twice that of the face value (Which is where the copper is today) you would have started your hoarding around 1971 to 1972 by which time 98% of the silver had already been pulled out of circulation. Today the copper value is twice face, and only 25% of the cents in circulation are still copper and dropping. If you wait until the premium is "significant" and it is worthwhile to hoard them, you may find that most of the copper cents are already gone.
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 Posted 01/20/2010  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biglite351 to your friends list
Why does a copper bar on ebay sell for so much more than the spot price of copper?
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 Posted 01/21/2010  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Great post Conder!
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 Posted 01/21/2010  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
Conder -

I appreciate your points, but you also have to remember that silver is a precious metal and 90% of silver mined has been used up in industrial processes, and cannot be reclaimed as easily as something like copper. As history will tell us, when the price of something goes up 100% in a year, it's usually in for a downtown. (think real estate, tech bubble, Dutch tulip bulb craze etc). With a slow economic recovery I really don't see a huge amount more upside on copper.
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 Posted 01/21/2010  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chump_Change to your friends list
been hording copper from box searches for over a year. I have saved 5 big Pickle jugs worth. Wife thinks I'm a tard but I just keep telling her to wait. One of these days my efforts on one of these coin things will work out.
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 Posted 01/23/2010  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list
For those of you with negativity towards saving copper Memorial cents...this $25.00 box is currently at $51.15 (plus a 5% handling fee plus shipping). So what if they can't be melted legally...they still can be sold for profit!

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auction...5748098.html
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 Posted 01/23/2010  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nancyk to your friends list
I would like to sell mine at that price. Who is buying?
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 Posted 01/23/2010  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 925dealer to your friends list
You don't need to sell them for melt nor for full value of copper. A 50% profit is VERY acceptable even if it is only a dollar an hour for the work I put into it (but I got to cherry pick the good stuff which is where my REAL profit will come from).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...380199584397

Keep another thing in mind. The value of gold, silver and copper IS NOT going up, the value of the paper and electronic digits in the form of the US dollar is going DOWN. I will always choose metals over pieces of cloth with pictures of dead presidents or electronic digits. One will always have value. The other has lost 97% of it's purchasing power over the last 97 years and will lose most of the rest in the next 10 years or so. Sincerely, John Leckrone
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 Posted 01/25/2010  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list
I'm a copper hoarder and then some.LOL Why even think about melting? I personally I don't have a safe way to melt anything but cheese and butter at my home anyway.LOL These pre 82(junk copper) will sell/trade just as nice as do junk silver does bagged/rolled up. The mining costs for copper,gold,silver is not going to get any cheaper and will drive these prices up. Go by a spool of real copper wire(not plated)you will see. Most wire now is copper plated aluminum.
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