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Moral Dilemma

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 Posted 06/20/2006  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rick to your friends list
I don't know, to be honest. I've heard conflicting comments on the subject before, and I will be the first to admit I don't know what the actual laws are. I think that the ebay issue is more or less a matter of policy than law.
A German fellow told me that there are no such laws about public display, it's just that most people see it as poor taste or offensive.
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 Posted 06/20/2006  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Those who do not know history are bound to repeat it. German Reich coins are a reminder of very dark times in World history and can also be seen as a lasting memorial to those lost to Hitler's wrath. It's all a matter of perspective as that generation is slowly dying off and deserves to be remembered. I, personally, see no "moral" issues in owning them now. Actually, purposefully, collecting them would not be an interest of mine except for the history behind them.
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 Posted 06/20/2006  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markjudge to your friends list
Good discussion and good points raised. The fact that it is a gift is of no consequence. I've explained the situation to my girlfriend, and she has agreed to waive any and all "penalties" for not wanting it as a gift should I decide to rid myself of it.

My understanding of the law is hazy at best. I know that ebay will not allow items bearing the swastika to be sold in many european countries including france, germany and austria. Whether or not this rule is adhered to is another story.

I agree with the comment Rick made, that a collection should reflect your personal taste, hence the mixed feelings. The history buff and coin collector in me says to keep it, but I feel displaying such an item would be in poor taste. I'll think it over a while longer.

What I do know, is this is my girlfriends LAST trip to Florida. This isn't the only problem that has arisen from the trip... there was an incident regarding our joint account and a shopping mall...
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 Posted 06/20/2006  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
All I know is german forum members mentioning ebay had removed their offer because the swastika was showing
Also I surf german ebay every day and I never ever saw a swastika
On the other hand in Belgium were I live all ebay belgian auctions will show the swastika and none are ever covered

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/10-Reichspf...cmdZViewItem
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 Posted 06/20/2006  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
heck I just wish I could read them auctions
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 Posted 06/20/2006  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add humpybong to your friends list

I bid on many Nazi coins on ebay where the swatstika has NOT been removed.

Many have a clause in there description stating that they are only auctioning to collectors for historic purposes.

There are many good quality coins about.
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 Posted 06/21/2006  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
Sometimes I feel that people are taking it too far in verifying that it is "blood-free". Think about it, in the past, men have fought war over anything, which includes natural resources. Chances that foreign coins would be melted down, which could have been stolen, taken by force, etc, and to be reused in another coinage is very likely.

Now, how can you guarantee that a particular coin that you have have absolutely zero traces of blood in it, especially when it comes to precious metals like gold?
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 Posted 06/21/2006  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
good point everyone
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 Posted 06/21/2006  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
We have had this discussion just recently, in this thread.

General consensus is that collecting them is OK, as long as the reason you're doing so is not idolizing the Nazis or wishing for a return to the "good old days" of Nazi rule.

Society certainly shouldn't attempt to hide their existence, lest the history be lost and future generations start to take the attitude, "well, the Nazis weren't all that bad, were they?".
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 Posted 06/21/2006  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by texasmick

The problem is not just one of symbolism.

The coin could actually be minted from silver stolen from Germany's slaughtered victims.

I could never collect such an artifact. The fact that it was a gift puts you in a bind.



I hope you didn't buy your wife's wedding ring in the US prior to 2003. Otherwise, you might consider doing some research so that you can clear your conscience.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/diamonds/index.do
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 Posted 06/21/2006  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Abyss to your friends list
Interesting Mark,
I had the same question a while back.
https://goccf.com/t/4331&SearchTerms=nazi,coin
I've ended up buying one,just because I wanted to see it "in person",but I still have mixed feelings about it.
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 Posted 06/23/2006  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markjudge to your friends list
After much thought and reading some great feedback here in the forum, I've decided to keep the coin. I will not however be displaying it with the rest for I still feel it would be in poor taste, hence me not posting a picture to be displayed.

Thanks to all
Mark
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 Posted 06/23/2006  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
I understand your views and respect your wishes, congradulations on the slight change in opionion and also for sticking to the root of your believes at the same time. that is comendable
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 Posted 07/09/2006  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by kuhli


I hope you didn't buy your wife's wedding ring in the US prior to 2003. Otherwise, you might consider doing some research so that you can clear your conscience.



Actually, the diamond in my wife's ring was a family heirloom. I really don't know it's pedigree. For all I know, someone killed or died for it.

I do know there isn't a swastika emblazoned on it.
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 Posted 09/03/2006  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
Reichmark coins date back to 1924, with the establishment of a stable currency after the inflation period and the rentenmark issues. The issues of 1870-1923 were also reichmark issues. Only the issues of Hitler, after 1936 (He was in power earlier) to 1945 have the swastika on them. This symbol is also found on coins and tokens of India of many periods. To me it is history, and I would not collect something just because there was something bad happening- for example wars were a world-wide occurance. I collect the Chinese coins of the Mongal Yuan dynasty, even though they were ruthless in destroying cities which defied their armies. I would not stop collecting US coins just because there were horrible incidents in Viet Nam, for example, or Russian coins just because people were sent to Siberia, or the population of the Ukraine was decimated, for example. They can remind us of what happened, in the hopes that it will not happen again.
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