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How Would Have This Error Occured In The Minting Process ?

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 Posted 03/27/2010  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennylover1010 to your friends list
I'll vote for post mint.
A clue would be the curve of the second "strike" is from a much larger coin/object, certainly not from a dime or dime die
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 Posted 03/27/2010  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Agree with the above - looks like the edge design is different too.

Just guessing here as I dont pretend to know how the Canadian mint works but being from a manufacturing background I would have thought that these would be rolled together by machine after minting.

Anything thats out of shape to this degree would surely be picked up by the machine during that process. If not by a deliberate machine validation process then simply by the fact that it could not be processed.
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 Posted 03/27/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennylover1010 to your friends list
Good point bobby. Yes these things would get rolled, not like the old days of bags leaving the mint.

I guess it is possible that a mint employee could fabricate an "error" and spirit it out of the workplace. But if you were risking your job for it - you'd make a better/more expensive error than this piece.
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 Posted 03/27/2010  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list
What puzzles me is "How does the extra metal escape from the collar"

Here is my understanding of this process...

"Coining presses are designed for any denomination of coin. Dies and collars are interchangeable and striking pressures are adjustable for the various denominations and metals. A circular piece of hardened steel forms the collar, which acts as the wall of the coining chamber, and one die forms the bottom. The dies impress the various designs and devices on the obverse and reverse for the coin while the collar forms the edge of the coin, flat and smooth on cents and 5-cent coins and reeded on the larger denominations. The collar, which is five-thousandths of an inch larger in diameter than the dies, is mounted on springs which allow slight vertical movement."

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 Posted 03/27/2010  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Just wondering if there would be some kind of Blakesley effect on this kind of an error if it was genuine?
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 Posted 03/27/2010  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennylover1010 to your friends list

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Just wondering if there would be some kind of Blakesley effect on this kind of an error if it was genuine?


You'd need to get a partial planchet into the stiking chamber for the effect to show up. Looks like this one started life as a full planchet.
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 Posted 03/27/2010  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list
Well well............let me see............home made....yup, Calgary feed back zero.....bet I can give you a different name for this seller.....lol FAKE FAKE FAKE Why......look how out of round the area just before the "Second" strike is .....this is stretching of the metal as it is squished....hence HOME MADE curtisy of Larry.
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 Posted 03/27/2010  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list
Outside the collar and no design on the extra hits...

Fake?

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 Posted 03/27/2010  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list
cap die or blank plantchetts in striking area, notice no stretching....are you testing me? LOL how about this one fake?

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03/27/2010 9:29 pm
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 Posted 03/28/2010  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
coinsrfun, do you think that Larry also faked the 1921 nickels he had?
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 Posted 03/28/2010  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennylover1010 to your friends list
It's not Larry!
If it was there would be a long rambling semi-description accompanied by several fuzzy pictures with mirrors. And about 40 times as many adjectives.
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 Posted 03/28/2010  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
mmmmmm, he treated me well...could only think of the deal I had with him as ok.
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 Posted 03/28/2010  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list
Who's Larry?
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 Posted 03/28/2010  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennylover1010 to your friends list
I'm sure he did. He has done well over 1000 ok deals. He has also mis-represented some of his "errors".
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