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My First Radar

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 Posted 04/09/2010  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
My understanding (based on my dd) is that more of the same digit in the SN higher the price. For instance a radar with 6 of the same digit would be around $150+ (64666646 - Radar, binary and bookend) and around 250 for a super radar (4666 6664) for a graded unc in the correct market conditions (Right now is the time to be buying and not selling).

So a radar with the same four of the same digits (5144 4415) would go for about $75 + and around $25+ for something like 3658 8563. Same holds true for repeaters with 23232323 starting the highest and 29412941 being the lowest in price.

Please add anything else that may be appropriate. Thanks

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 Posted 04/09/2010  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
Ive got a radar binary bookend.......00044000. I bought that for $20 at a coin shop.
is it worth $150?
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 Posted 04/09/2010  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list
Ceylon, here are my guesses:

1. Just an ink smudge. When the notes are new sometimes if you rub the notes it will cause the FRB seal, or the numbers in the far corners, or some other device to smude or blur. I think this is the case especially cause it was on the outside of the stack. I have some cool ones I will scan and post when I can.

2. Wet ink transfer. If you take the back of a dollar and compare it to the "spray" on the bottom of your note I think it will line up. Also I think the ink around the vignette is from the word "one" in the middle of the back of a dollar. Try and compare it to that. Almost all notes have this kind of transfer to some degree. It seems to be more common in some places than others, but around the vignette I see it a lot. Value depends on the extent and apparent of transfer. 30 to 40 percent it would have to be really visible to bring a big premium. Again I will try to get scans up when I can.

3. This one I am more uncertain of but I would guess some of the ink got wiped off the plate before the note was struck. With intaglio printing ink is placed on the printing plates. The ink goes into the recesses of the plate. The plate is then wiped so all the excess ink is removed and the sheet then gets printed. Sometimes when they wipe the plates too much ink is removed.

Of course without scans these are just guesses. Even with the scans they would still be guesses . Can you get pictures up?
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 Posted 04/10/2010  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Lafaa,

Sorry no, but I think at 20 you got a good deal. Here is why

Radar values are based on mathematical odds (my understanding). The CENTER block of numbers is the KEY to the whole nonsense. Your's is probably a 2 to 4 based on a10 scale. Also the digits and ending block letters play a role and I am still trying to sort that out.

Examples below using your numbers (I am anchoring the center 4's for this exercise) and the numerical order can be diff as I am trying to fill in the blanks of the hierarchy. But this should give you a good idea of the pecking order. Each move up in position adds about $20 to $30 in value

2 to 4 - 0004 4000
5 0044 4400
6 4044 4404
7 4404 4044 - I am not sure if this would be a "true" repeater (eliminate the 0, I have seen some similar to this as repeaters on ebay)
8 4004 4004 - Repeater
9 Leaving it blank, here we go back to the digits on the SN.
10 0444 4440

Hopefully someone else has done this and contributes / adds to what I have come across.

Peace
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 Posted 04/10/2010  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Siuol,

Concur on 1 and 2. I am going to hang on to them as they are unc. Item 3 is still over my head.

"Can you get pictures up?" I am technically challenged, but mathematically inclined.

BTW,
I ran into my first low SN - K0000 7606E -03A
First "T" for 06 from Atlanta.

A teller saved a 1934A NY fed green seal $10 note for me. (B79169505B). There is a number written in pencil on the back and am leaving it as is. Not sure how the number got as high as wiki has the print figure at 42,346,000. It's in better shape than this one and the car is a "model T"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U...te_Front.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U...ote_Back.jpg

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 Posted 04/13/2010  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list
As promised here are the pics of smudged ink and small wet ink transfers

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 Posted 04/13/2010  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
that wet ink transfer is VERY minor
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 Posted 04/13/2010  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
heres mine.......


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 Posted 04/14/2010  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Siuol,

The smudge on the "6" (by John Snow's - sig) looks like the one on my first post. I am trying the pic thing and am not succeeding and will try again at some point. The "test" post pic is the sibling of your web note.

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 Posted 04/18/2010  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
""Also, I took out the following 2562 2561, 2562 2562 and 2562 2563. What would 61 and 63 be considered?""

FWIW - The number before a repeater is a "step down number" and the number after the repeater is a "step up number". These are valuable as part of set in unc state.

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 Posted 04/22/2010  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list
just found yesterday in strap, searched 5 straps. found this, four tri's, six 2009's, 2 stars
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/...DSC00641.jpg
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 Posted 04/23/2010  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Siuol,

Check the pic on this auction. In my case where the white is inside of the "A" has the smudge (rather than on the outside like this pic). I would rate mine similar to this as the A is "almost" solid black on mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/INK-SMEAR-Error...em5ad8603e96

Peace
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 Posted 04/28/2010  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list
Nice . On another note I found my first true radar the other day A 01500510 A. The condition isn't too bad either.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Finally got a "decent" true radar (matching alphas) along with some wanna be radars (mini / maxi).
It looks nice as a group.



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 Posted 09/02/2010  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bobo_Jenkins to your friends list
I used to have note 12166121 but I sold it a long while ago. The closest I have now to a radar is this which I found in my change :)

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