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But for the major dings, I'd say AU50;
with them XF45
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Hummmm....don't forget to take into account the die and strike issues for this year.  |
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I couldn't tell if those are just contact marks on his cheek (below his eye), or if there's a rub hidden in there...thus my "waffle" answer.
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Looks like theres luster to support an AU grade.
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Tough crowd! I grade this MS-62/63.
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We may be a tough crowd...but !
take a look and count all the major dings on the coin.
two or three serious ones on the obverse...one that is definitely from circulation which, were it any worse, I'd consider the coin damaged.
one serious circulation ding and a scratched western rim, also from circulation (or too much contact with other surfaces)
I dont know if this perspective is useful...but I ask myself; would I pay MS60+ prices for this coin?
Would you pay me MS60+ prices for it?
How does it compare to certified MS60+ 1919Ds?
Edited by j_h_s
05/08/2010 09:22 am
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j_h_s, dings, by themselves, don't knock a coin down to XF. They don't even necessarily take a coin out of MS.
And dings like that can and do occur during the minting and bag processes.
I've been waiting for an MS62 range coin to show up on here, because I was curious what grade you would assign to it.
Edited by steve199
05/08/2010 10:32 am
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It appears there may be some rub on Lincons cheek and beard. Also there appears to be some rub and alot of dings on the "One Cent". Thats why I go with an AU grade.
Its higher than XF in my opinion and with the benefit of the coin in hand I might go with MS62BN
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Steve, I understand the grading logic about dings.
I guess, certified graders notwithstanding, each of us is entitled (with some latitude) to a standard of MS.
If I had a bag of freshly minted coins and beat the bag on the ground a couple of times it could still be said the coins are in mint state; damaged.
I dont know where the official demarcation line is for "no longer MS" -- I have my ideals about MS -- theyre not the ideals or perfectly in line with grading companies.
I said in another post somewhere that I'm a little rigid...but, maybe not. If a coin's been circulated, it's been circulated....that includes damage incurred from circulation between collectors alone.
The coin in this thread has been circulated. Id give it a XF45 because of the damages/wear that are not bag marks which are:
Obverse
dings on the rims
wear on the cheeks, sideburns, and above the ear
major ding under LIBERTY
Reverse
west and north rim scratches
10 o'clock mushrooming of the rim
ding under UNUM
too many bag or circulation marks on high spots of ONE CENT
Wear on the upper part of the west wheat ear
the latter of which is my primary grading marker for XF45
ps (edit): the jump in value from XF into AU is substantial...nearly triple. Given that, I think value demands scrutiny.
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05/09/2010 09:43 am
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I am in complete agreement with j h s. I believe I see wear on this coin. If a fact, it is not MS, so....... Is it Au or XF. Does not matter who's definition for grading you us, you start subtracting for dings and heavily in primary focal areas and there are a bunch. My experience has been that a MS-64/65 coin with slight wear receives a AU-58 and as the MS grade goes down so would the comparable AU grade. Even starting at 70, which most don't do with a strike issue coin, I can easily find 10 point of deduction. Maybe this is an AU-50 coin. I would be wiling to belly up to the bar on this one and cover a portion of the grading cost. Anyone else? This coin could be an excellent learning tool.
Jim
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I believe you have an MS coin here. Although it has taken some nasty hits. 1919-D cents are known for there center obverse weakness and weakness of the reverse rim area. I would give this coin a grade of MS-61, but sell at AU-55 price.
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I'll belly up some if I can pay through paypal
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I'm glad everyone enjoyed discussing this coin. It's rare to have so many people interested. Coins like this are a lot of fun. The strike/die issues on certain Lincolns make for good conversation.
Take what you will from this thread, the coin is what it is. As interested as you guys are in the 'real' grade, I'm not going to slab this coin. It's fun that you guys are that curious, but really, I'm not taking peoples money to settle the debate. LOL
Edited by BadThad
05/10/2010 11:50 am
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