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Valued Member
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New Member
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Thanks Here is close up of nose area, ares are not filled in too well! It looks like the coin was molded insted of stamped 
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New Member
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Here is the back, See all the excess rised metal, around the M-O and on top of the T-I, of monticello. this surley is a counterfeit. 
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Valued Member
United States
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there's always the option of sending the coin to a TGP to confirm your suspicions
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Sending to a TPG will tell you if it is a counterfeit. Unfortunately, it will not tell you if it is a Henning (not that I am implying that twincam meant this). Since Henning nickels are counterfeit they do not certify them. In my opinion this coin is all PMD and here is why. First it is not a Henning. Henning nickels do have weak details like this and they do have raised spots. But the raised spots on Henning nickels are very small solid dots. On one Henning that I have without the hole in the are has a small dot directly above the building to the left of the dome. On other Hennings that I have with the hole in the are there are dots inside the M of UNUM. I have also seen dots on some other Hennings inside the letters of AMERICA. But the dots are small and solid, you almost need a loop to see them. The dots on your coin are the result of something pointed indenting the coin. This produces a round indent with metal pushed up around it. The coin circulated and wore making the raise part look like a raised ring. The raised metal around MO and above TI are also damage. You can see a depression below both of them. When the depression was caused it pushed up metal which then over time wore down making the depressions hard to see and wearing the raised area enough to look like they were struck that way. Sorry, but I think this is a worn down damaged genuine nickel.
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Valued Member
United States
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not at all, I was and should have clarified that I meant the TGP could confirm if it was counterfeit
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New Member
 United States
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Hello Pyrbob, I Sincerely thank everyone for there opinoins. Having looked at the coin with a 10x and 20x loop, I see no indication of of nicks causing the raised areas.On the back in the tiny areas in between the words Monticello,five cents and United states, How could nicks be worn down, But non of these letters worn down? The next photo shows close up of top of head, in between the arrows is excess metal, raised even with head and edge, where it should be recessed? Also the 4 gold objects, are are recessed into it,no edges around them! I think this is somthing you all would have to see in person! Thanks thow! 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Will we see it on the auction-block?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Weight is the major key here.
A genuine counterfeit (HA! "genuine counterfeit"!) Henning will weigh about 10% more than a genuine nickel. Genuine US Mint nickels weight approximately 5 grams. Pyrbob is more the Henning expert than I, but the handful I have dealt with all weigh between 5.4 and 5.5 grams. The OP's coin does look interesting, but it is not a Henning.
I agree with the OP that I would like to see this in person! The extra raised metal is intriguing; might it possibly be some kind of solder? Would have to see it.
Edited by copper nickel daddy 07/11/2010 3:03 pm
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New Member
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Hello, Biokemist6 and Fioti,
The weight, I have no ideal, But it does weigh more than a 2000 nickel. But maybe all 1940's nickel weigh more than a 2000?
I would not put this on a auction block, Someone would have to see it in person before I sold it! I Need a coin expert to look at it and tell me what it really is!
My luck, CIA tracking coin! lol
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I'll still have to stick with PMD but would love to see the coin in hand. TPG's are at large shows and will give free opinions. Is there ever a lare show close to you?
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New Member
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Thanks Pyrbob, You may be right! (But it has too many strange things going on(I think) with it to be just a PMD) When I found this site 3 days ago, And found the Henning counterfeit posts, after looking at the pictures, I thought my nickel was too crude to be a Henning! (But I asked anyway!) I am realy more intriqued about the gold inserts in the front(3 have copper circles in the middle. Flat,perfect even with the nickel metal. (which are way less than a mm, maybe .5mm)or less, and the gold button on the back? "What could these be? I want to thank everyone for there expertise! Cause I surely, do not know! So Coppernickeldaddy and Pyrbob, I am in Cincinnnati area, if your near, or know a expert near-by, I would love to show the coin! Just post a message! THANKS EVERONE!
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New Member
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Hello everyone,
Well I got the nickel weighed, with the extra metal above the head, the 4 gold incerts in the front and the brass button stuck to the back. The coin only weighed 4.8 grams?
I was kinda shocked, I thought it would weigh way more than that.
So anyone have any new thoughts on this coin?
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Valued Member
United States
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Been out of town this week and just saw this. That kind of porosity combined with the dark coloring leads me to say it's PMD and corroded. Corrosion from some time in the ground would have the unpredictable patterns you see on your coins, and could even account for the discoloration. JMHO.
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