British Coin Quiz

They do look similar

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Originally posted by Ætheling

I've seen a few doctored (with felt tips) Churchill Crowns and if you put him in a big collared shirt and some shades on he looks like a 1970s Elvis.

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Oh my![:p]

Actually I always looked at it that the Earl of Northumberland married Jane off to Guildford and stuck hwer on the throne against her own wishes. Mary had every right to march in as it was her throne afterall that Jane had stole.

Actually Mary didn't execute Lady Jane Grey straight away, I don't think she particularly wanted to either. Sure Northumberland got it, but Mary abstained from executing Jane for a while, I think it was 1554. Which was the same year as Wyatt's revolt, which was a revolt over the Spanish marriage.

Having a potential rival Queen sat around imprisoned and having people rising up willing to support her causes a great deal of problems and there's only one way to solve it, remove the potential Queen. Elizabeth I had the exact same problem over a decade later. Although Elizabeth was more of a ditherer and it took her 20 years to finally take the plunge.

No don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for Jane. I just regard her as ever having been the Queen, I don't think a majority of nobles actually proclaimed her as such, and nor was she crowned. There's some argument over whether Empress Matilda was ever queen of England, she should have been but she wasn't actually anointed and crowned and that counted for alot in those days.

But there's arguments on both sides of the fence over that, because Edward V was never crowned but he is considered king because no one opposed.

I can't be certain but in Tudor England, sucession couldn't really be decided by a monarch, the God given law was that the sons would succeed eldest to youngest and then it would go to the daughter's eldest to youngest. Regardless of whether a king insisted other wise or not.

Edward probably would not have wanted Mary to succeed because he knew what she'd do, but that didn't stop her because she had the support of the people because they believed in the God given rule of primogeniture. I reckon though I can't prove it, that Lady Jane Grey was probably not too popular with the country at large. Remember the majority of the country was staunchly Catholic even in the 1560s and 1570s.

Protestantism took a long time to take root. Notice how fast rood screens went back up in churches after Mary's accession! Many were simply hidden, not destroyed except in some Urban areas like London where Protestantism took hold quite quickly. Lancashire was the last county to convert.

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Originally posted by dsking

The big question now...Will Charles ever be King?

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That is the million dollar question. In my personal opinion, I don't think he will. I think they are grooming William for the throne. But that's just my opinion.

Ætheling, I agree with you. Elizabeth has long said she will remain as Queen until her death. If Charles is still alive, then he will succeed. Just look at how they have integrated Camilla into the Royal Family so he doesn't have to abdicate.

And I hope he will also take the name of Charles III. We have had too many Georges, Edwards, Henrys and Williams. A Phillip would be nice also in honour of his father, LOL.

As for uncrowned monarchs, we had the case of Edward VIII who ruled uncrowned in 1936. On the web site for Lady Jane Grey, it said she was crowned in front of the Council in the Tower though I feel it was not the official Coronation.

Does anyone recall the coin set of Queens of England where she was featured on one of the crown sized coins? Or perhaps it was in a small cameo with each of the other Queens.

I see we have some serious English History buffs. My grandfather related a story passed down from generation to generation that one of my ancestors - Thomas Gurney or de Gournai had a hand in the death of one of the King Edward's - I think the 6th. The stroy goes he was in the employ of one of the royal family. Would that sound plausable or was my grandfather spinning a yarn?

There is also the family story far more recent of a London based forger named Bill Gurney who was executed I believe about 1800. That relationship seemed more tenuous since he was always called a cousin or an uncle of some sort.

Any thoughts?