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Sad Result Of "Registry" Sets Marketing

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 Posted 09/10/2010  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Yeah, I am not digging the toning and I am a big fan of nice toning. The coin images look overly brightened but the slab pics appear to be scans so it is hard to judge the actual darkness of the toning. Regardless of the particular coin, I would want professional quality images for anything over a couple thousand dollars but the provided images in the ebay auction certainly do not satisfy all questions.

It is also quite possible that the toning is too thick for an effective dipping and could only be removed with excessive dipping that would impair the coin and kill the MS68 grade
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09/10/2010 10:56 pm
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 Posted 09/10/2010  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list
Sorry nickelsearcher, I think I overreacted slightly.

I agree with Biokemist, I would need better images but I would not blame anyone who bought the coin, if the coin looks nicer in hand and is worthy of the grade. It would be foolish to buy that coin based on those scans, it'll be interesting to see if the auction goes anywhere.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
I agree that the toning on this coin could use some help but if you enhance the beauty of the coin in any way the grading would be in jeopardy. With a coin like this the best action is to appreciate it as it is. MS68 Is usually dreaming material concerning early commemoratives but let us dream on. Nice topic.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HippieOutcast to your friends list
I hate the rainbow style of toning, but I find this coin quite attractive.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stephen to your friends list
I got a 1964 Roosevelt on ebay that's up to $1.50 with free shipping I think mine looks better...........
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 Posted 09/11/2010  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list
The MS68 grade is based on strike, lack of marks/scuffs etc and not based on being either blast white or heavily toned. I like the tone on the coin assuming it is less glaring in hand than the in the ebay picture. I have seen numerous commems from the 1930's with stunning beautiful golden toning on the entire coin, seems to be a result of the original packaging they came in if left undisturbed for 50 plus years in a safe deposit box or safe somewhere. Not all collectors like "white" coins and dipped coins always look like dipped coins, you can never regain the luster from the original striking of the coin. Just my humble opinion.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dkillett to your friends list
Eye appeal is in the eye of the beholder. I think the toning on this coin gives it character. It's not one I would personally buy, but that coin will make someone very happy. I have come to really like some toned coins.

Just my 2 cents.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list
I personally like the toning. It's a little splotchy on the obverse but I don't mind the color. That being said, I wouldn't/couldn't drop that kind of money on any coin.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list

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The MS68 grade is based on strike, lack of marks/scuffs etc and not based on being either blast white or heavily toned.


Actually, toning affects eye appeal and eye appeal is a factor in grading, so a coin's toning or lack thereof can impact the grade.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dvorak to your friends list
I think the picture where you see the whole slab look better than the really close up ones.
I don't mind an honest, even toning and I think this ones just fine.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list
I like the toning of that coin. But I am not in US coins and 16K for a coin is out of reach for me.
What would be a decent price for such a coin in MS65?
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 Posted 09/11/2010  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list
Wheatguy you are correct however I feel you misconstrued my comment. I merely meant that coins can receive the higher grades whether they are toned or not, there is no "qualifier" that says an MS68 has to be a white coin. I agree with you completely that if a coin had ugly or unrealistic toning that detracted from the eye appeal, it would suffer on the numerical grade. (Of course if it was ugly it would suffer on the price tag as well, regardless of grade)
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 Posted 09/11/2010  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list

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Wheatguy you are correct however I feel you misconstrued my comment. I merely meant that coins can receive the higher grades whether they are toned or not, there is no "qualifier" that says an MS68 has to be a white coin. I agree with you completely that if a coin had ugly or unrealistic toning that detracted from the eye appeal, it would suffer on the numerical grade. (Of course if it was ugly it would suffer on the price tag as well, regardless of grade)


Yeah, I do think I misinterpreted your comment and .

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 Posted 09/11/2010  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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What would be a decent price for such a coin in MS65?

That is the funny thing about all of this maudry. Numismedia FMV for MS64 is $125 and MS65 is $213, even MS66 is not too bad at $363. The 64/65 grades make for nice coins that are affordable for the majority of collectors so unless you are truly chasing a registry coin, there is little incentive to seek out an MS68 example.
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 Posted 09/11/2010  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list

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Numismedia FMV for MS64 is $125 and MS65 is $213, even MS66 is not too bad at $363. The 64/65 grades make for nice coins that are affordable for the majority of collectors so unless you are truly chasing a registry coin, there is little incentive to seek out an MS68 example.


That's quite impressive!
Should someone submit a coin one day that grades MS69, could this pretty much reduce the price of the MS68's?
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