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I'm VERY surprised at the PF-62 grade, unless that is a details grade. I'd have called it a PF-55. I'd call it a PF-58 if the bagging wasn't so bad. The coin shows some rub so I think it has to be less than a 60.  ...very shocked it got a 62 grade. Nonetheless...  |
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Grading being subjective as it is this coin could fall between pf-58 and pf-62. This is a nice coin for your collection. |
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Amazing. I wouldn't call it a 62, and I wouldn't call it a DCAM either (No where near enough contrast on the reverse) I think this is a good example of a bad example.
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Congrats. That's a nice example |
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Great find, yet another example of bad TPG. It looks like it was in every slot in the casino. |
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I was trying to get an exact rotation degree on the coin. If those slabs are plumb then it should be just a tad less than 90% I like these rotated coins myself. I think this coin is a good example of a grade that would be the same at all of the top TPG's. Because of the scratches and some debris it could not make the BU range. Scratches do not change the fact that the coin is in unc. condition. Technically (as I have argued in the past and lost:) If a coin has scratches etc. even without wear it must of been in circulation. But that theory is out the window now as far as grading practices go. So I have to agree as I posted already, a good call on the grade and as far as the cameo one would have to look at it in hand to define whether just cameo or deep cameo. The cameo is from the highly polishes dies and cannot really be affected by PM scratches. Hidden some but not obliterated. I like anacs. I think they are the most conservative (true) when it comes to grades but this specimen could not go MS63 at any TPG. Very nice find all around though. |
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What a find! That is definately a beauty  But I mean no offense, but with the pics, I'm lost as to how that is a 62, unless those are just bag marks and not rub. Either way, just goes to prove that it's definately worth it to search halves still... Nice one Jaobler |
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Thanks everyone for the thoughtful comments! With the coin in the slab the PR-62 grade seems not completely outrageous. There are lots of small hairlines and some scuffs and hazy patches but the fields are still uniformly reflective with no friction that I see. The portrait is pretty clean with no significant hits. There is disruption of the frosted surface on Kennedy's hair above the ear and on the high points of his cheek and jaw. This evidence of wear could easily have dropped it to PR-58 which is how I would have graded it. I do think they were too generous on the DCAM. The reverse has very little contrast and that should demote it to CAM at best. My photos greatly exaggerate the scuffs and hairlines. If this were a Morgan dollar with a comparable level of marks in the fields I would not question an MS-62 grade. Nevertheless, I'm happy with this coin. It has a pretty high "wow" factor for non-collectors (although in almost every case I have to show them what's wrong with the coin!). It's definitely my best Kennedy find to date. |
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If the coin has no WEAR, then it cannot grade anything less than 60 regardless of how many scuffs and bag marks are on the coin. The point here is that ANY coin with no wear has a minumum grade of 60 if not cleaned or otherwise purposefully damaged. I agree with 62 as a grade on this. Secondly, if the reverse had no haze, it is very possible that the cameo would flash on this coin. It is very possible that the contrast would be there, thus it would be deserving of the DCAM designation - and I can tell you from experience that MOST post-bicentennial proof half dollars are ALL deserving of the DCAM designation - no matter the grade. Third - this is a rarity indeed, and I thank you for sahring it with us. Too bad it didn't just come fresh out of a new proof set, but you take what you get sometimes. Fourth - consider NCS to get it into shape and slab it next time you run into something like this. Also consider NGC for grading errors. They are widely respected and I believe they are quite a bit cheaper than PCGS. Thing is, ANACS has lost most of their share of respect in the TPG market, and I have resorted to their holder only when I cannot get it in a holder any other way. |
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What a lot of people might not realize is that a coin can be in "circulation" for some time, without showing actual signs of friction or wear. This half got banged up, scratched, dinged and nicked, but not physically circulated. TPGs use technical standards for all levels of grading. If there are no signs of wear on the highest points of the coin, I'd expect it to grade very similarly at any of the top TPGs.
I actually do handle a fair amount of Errors in addition to die varieties. NGC seems not only to have adequate skills when it comes to error coins, their holders also are far superior to the others when it comes to displaying an error like a clip. In PCGS and ANACS slabs, the affected portion, even when fairly dramatic, can be covered by the plastic ring holding the coin inside the encasement.
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I DEFINITELY would have sent the coin to NCS to get the haze off the coin before having it holdered. In fact, if it were my coin I would STILL consider that and get it out of the ANACS holder. I think having it in an ANACS holder will prove to be a mistake in the end.
NCS will safely conserve the coin taking the haze off it before holdering the coin. It will be safer that way and will look better too. You never know that this haze might not be PVC damage or something else sitting on the coin that could ruin what's left of the delicate mirror surfaces.
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Awesome jaobler! When in doubt, ANACS it.
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If the coin has no WEAR, then it cannot grade anything less than 60 regardless of how many scuffs and bag marks are on the coin. The point here is that ANY coin with no wear has a minimum grade of 60 if not cleaned or otherwise purposefully damaged. I agree with 62 as a grade on this. Wear=evidence of circulation. Since we have no way of telling where a coin has been, all we have to determine grade is evidence of circulation; the more evidence, the lower the grade. Proof coins were designed for presentation, and generally get white glove handling from the die to their protective packaging, and are examined for any flaws. There is no reason for a massive amount of nicks and scratches on a proof coin to be of mint origin. Therefore, any such quantity of damage can only be considered evidence of circulation. Quote:
Secondly, if the reverse had no haze, it is very possible that the cameo would flash on this coin. It is very possible that the contrast would be there, thus it would be deserving of the DCAM designation - and I can tell you from experience that MOST post-bicentennial proof half dollars are ALL deserving of the DCAM designation - no matter the grade. Which is why I said I'd go for preservation before slobbing.I'm apparently thinking of another thread. Edited by biggfredd
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