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Identifying 40% Ike Dollars

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 Posted 03/01/2011  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list
never heard of the tissue test. thanks
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 Posted 04/07/2011  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list
Aren't all '71 and '72 S mint marks silver?
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 Posted 04/07/2011  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Funny Money to your friends list
See, you always learn something here...like how to properly use a tissue..
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 Posted 04/08/2011  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Aren't all '71 and '72 S mint marks silver?

Yes

General rules

All 71-S and 72-S Ikes are 40% silver

All business strike S mint Ikes are 40% silver (There is a single 73-S business strike known on a coppernickel clad planchet.)

All 1976-S Type 2 Ikes are copper nickel clad.

Some 73-S, 74-S, and 76-S type 1 proof Ikes are clad and some are silver. They can be told apart by either the tissue test or by weight. Silver weigh 24.59 grams, clad weigh 22.69 grams

There are a few (maybe a dozen total) 1974-D and 1977-D 40% silver Ikes known. Use the tissue test and if any pass that test then check weight.
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 Posted 04/08/2011  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schnauzer to your friends list
Conder101: You are a WEALTH of information! Wow!
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 Posted 04/12/2011  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
OK let's say we're at a fast paced auction.

And all we want to do is to bid on accurately identified 40% Ike 'silver' dollars.

Would the following summary statement accurate describe the procedure that could be followed to end up with the desired end result for silver Ike dollars?:

a) All '71S and '72S coins should ‘always' be 40% silver.

b) All '73S, '74S, '74D and '77D coins could either be 40% silver or a Cu/Ni alloy. (Cu = copper, Ni = nickel)

c) All 1776 - 1976 and 1776 - 1976S coins could either be 40% silver or a Cu/Ni alloy

d) The dollar coins in b) and c) above should be weighed to ensure that 40% dollar coins weigh 24.59 grams or 26.26 grams (if they are covered with a stapled white paper mylar holder)

e) The tissue test should only be used secondarily after the weight test to avoid erroneous results obtained from silver 'plated' Cu/Ni coins etc.

This is my personal interpretation after reading multiple opinions for IDing 40% 'silver' Ike dollars.

If my interpretation needs adjustments or if a faster method exists for IDing 40% 'silver' Ike dollars, I am always open for suggestions.

Remember that we are at an auction with an auctioneer that frowns upon slow and detailed buyers wanting to avoid being taken to the cleaners.

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e) The tissue test should only be used secondarily after the weight test to avoid erroneous results obtained from silver 'plated' Cu/Ni coins etc.
I would do the tissue test first since it is both easier and faster than weighing.

If the test shows Cu-NI clad then you are done.

If it shows silver then you can confirm by weighing it.
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 Posted 04/12/2011  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
Two questions:

1) Do you agree that 1776 - 1976( no mint mark)Ike dollars can be either 40% silver or Cu/Ni clad (no silver)?

2) Should the tissue test still give accurate results if the coin is stapled shut within a clear Mylar holder or sealed within a hard plastic slab like NGC or PCGS?

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1) As far as I know, there are no 40% silver 1776-1976 Eisenhower dollars. Like the mentioned 1974-D and 1977-D, any legitimate ones that existed would be an error. A 1776-1976-S could be Cu-Ni or 40% silver.

2) Yes. I can cover a page in my Dansco album with plastic slides in place and still see the difference.
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 Posted 04/13/2011  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Try this for fast determination. (Sorry had to use leading periods to indent the paragraphs. Forum doesn't recognize leading periods or tabs.)

1. Coin is Unc
.....1. Coin is S mint it is silver
.....2. Coin is 74-D or 77-D Do tissue test
..........1. tissue test indicates Coppernickel - not silver
..........2. tissue test indicates silver, weigh the coin.
...............1. Coin weighs 24.6 grams - Silver
...............2. Coin weighs 22.7 grams - coppernickel
.....3. Coin is coppernickel

2. Coin is Proof
.....1. Coin is 71-S or 72-S - Silver
.....2. Coin is 73-S, 74-S, or 76-S Type I do tissue test
..........1. tissue test indicates Coppernickel - not silver
..........2. tissue test indicates silver, weigh the coin. (it is probably safe to assume it is silver. I've never heard of a silver plated coppernickel proof.)
...............1. Coin weighs 24.6 grams - Silver
...............2. Coin weighs 22.7 grams - coppernickel
.....3. Coin is coppernickel

The paragraph style works very quickly because at each eliminates a lot of possibilities at each step. At the first level you decide is it an unc or proof coin. It will be one or the other and then you only have to worry about the sub-paragraph under that heading and so on.
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 Posted 04/13/2011  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Lot of good information here.
I would like to add.
No 77 or 78,s had silver, unless in error.

1971 - 1974, all the 40% silver came from the mint it what is called
brown box (proof) or blue packs (UNC). The brown box coin were/are
in a single coin hard slab, the blue packs were/are in a single coin
mylar holder with a blue plastic (poker chip looking)token.
If you see the coins in these mint packages, then you know they are
40% silver.

The 40% 1776-1976 coins came in three coin sets, quarter, half and dollar.
Proofs came in a small book like display with each coin in its own
airtight type capsule. The BU coins came in a red envelope with
all three coins in the same mylar holder. If you see coins in
these holders, they will be 40% silver.

The S mint CU proof coins came in the regular proof sets (cent through dollar)
none of the regular proof set had silver coins (for the years above)

Of course if they are not in the original packages, then have to go back to
tissue test or weight.

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Really glad I started this post because I've learned a ton! Thanks for the insights everyone!
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Forum doesn't recognize leading periods or tabs
It does when you use the [code][/code] tags.

1. Coin is Unc
     1. Coin is S mint it is silver
     2. Coin is 74-D or 77-D Do  tissue test
          1.  tissue test indicates Coppernickel - not silver
          2.  tissue test indicates silver, weigh the coin.
               1. Coin weighs 24.6 grams - Silver
               2. Coin weighs 22.7 grams - coppernickel
     3. Coin is coppernickel

2. Coin is Proof
     1. Coin is 71-S or 72-S - Silver
     2. Coin is 73-S, 74-S, or 76-S Type I do  tissue test
          1.  tissue test indicates Coppernickel - not silver
          2.  tissue test indicates silver, weigh the coin.* 
               1. Coin weighs 24.6 grams - Silver
               2. Coin weighs 22.7 grams - coppernickel
     3. Coin is coppernickel


* It is probably safe to assume it is silver. I've never heard of a silver plated coppernickel proof.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
mdpmedia, when in doubt just skip it.

Buy 71-s or 72-s as 40% silvers avoid the other ikes unless they boxed.

Thats my advice. Theres always more coins and more silver to be had.
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