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Understanding Cleaned Coins

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 Posted 07/14/2011  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
Slabbed ANACS as CLEANED. No luster at all and cleaning marks especially on the reverse.

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 Posted 07/14/2011  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Here's an 89-CC Morgan that PCGS bagged. Details look MS but luster appears stripped, surfaces appear altered:



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 Posted 07/14/2011  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list
Thanks aladinslamp for this post. I'm often concerned that my learning will come the hardway in regards to cleaned coins. Thanks to all the rest that give us examples of what to and not to look for. And with KenKat...absoulutely, and that it is also nice to know what you are lovin'.
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 Posted 07/14/2011  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
I think it is worthwhile to note that hairlines do not necessarily indicate a cleaned coin, you have to take the severity of the hairlines into account. Light parallel hairlines are typically caused by mishandling a coin, the 1824 Bust Half posted is a good example of that type of hairlining. Proofs are also very susceptible to mishandling hairlines. Yes, it should still impact the value to some extent but not as much as a cleaning IMO. Hairlines going in multiple directions and scrubby scratches are a stronger indicator of a cleaned coin- everyone should be able to recognize that type of cleaning with the coin in-hand.
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 Posted 07/14/2011  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chewyduck to your friends list
These 2 were the first coins I ever bought, I paid 3.00$ each for them and I thought they were cool. Back then a coin was just a coin. But I think everything really old has a good likely hood of being cleaned at some point. You see many slabs marked "cleaned" but even though they are less valuable, they still get snapped up, because it's nice to have a very nice specimen even though it is cleaned. Over the years I have tried to go more quality than quantity, but I still find myself intrigued by some coins and will buy them just to have one.

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I have now startred to sell my cleaned silver coins for melt to a local dealer.
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 Posted 07/14/2011  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Hopefully this picture will zoom-up for you well. That's always a risk whenever I post pictures (I never know if they're going to zoom-up OK or not). The coins in the top pile are A-OK and the ones in the bottom pile are cleaned and retoned. Hopefully you can zoom-up well enough on some of the individual coins to see the difference as well as the reason collectors basically don't like cleaned coins. The ones on the top have some life left to those surfaces while the ones on the bottom don't and look dead. Hope this helps a little...

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 Posted 07/14/2011  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list
Whizzed which is a dam shame as this would have been one nice coin.
Well it still is but I would have preferred to see it before.
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 Posted 07/15/2011  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
WOW and Thanks to all of you that have read and taken the time to post...your examples are fabulous...If I may make comments for those who have contributed to this post, FOR the casual reader
BRICKCAT...a great photo of hair lines.. you see many old time collectors had there coins in the drawer or cabinet and as dust occurs they simply dusted them off...not realizing how soft silver is....The results are seen in his photo...
By the way....Great doubbling of the nose to chin area! cool coin..how you all enjoy and see this...

Whizzed coins....a term related to those who would polish the field areas to upgrade the coins over all grade....which means MONEY...NoHopes pictures are very good but LACK the detail to see the whizzinig...and that probubly due to its a very ole and PRO job,,,and the toning is even
THIS is an important thing to know......it looks great...Noel Please upgrade your photo so we can all see why it is considered whizzed AND lets have a really BAD whizzed coin posted!!.....
Fenton,,,,Great looking coin,,,Why would it be body bagged?
This is something we all need to examine....as to why if you submitt a coin to TPG's why it would come back in a body bag....IF your coin does not have spotting or an uneveness in color.. indicating a cleaning some where in its life....if you submit it it should not come back in the body bag....This is why I am posting this thread.....SO we can all see the PROBLEM coins and why...
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Fentons coin I would ask why you would agree or disagree..
Please respond....
BIOKEMIST..you bring up a very important
Observation..... A 200 year old coin was not Boraxed or CLEANED?DIPPED cleaned in today's standards, Today we have chemicals
which do this for us and have a resulting affect....This is the term we call cleaning...
This post is to have great examples OF OBVIOUSLY cleaned coins AS well as Nohopes hard to see
Whizzed coin.....
MY MANY THANKS yo you all and please Continue to BRING IT ON... Obvious examples and those are hard to see or KNOW the coin has been tampered with...I do thank you all for your many respondces
And hope you will continue
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 Posted 07/16/2011  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IHPO8S to your friends list
Here is a Barber quarter I bought it as a cleaned/whizzed coin. The person who I bought it from let me take it to a dealer friend of mine before I bought it. We both worked at the same place and I bought alot of coins from him. I told him it was whizzed and he said make a offer. I bought it for $20.00 I belive to long ago for me to remeber.

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 Posted 07/16/2011  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
its hard to see the whizz marks on this coin...you have made a great deal
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 Posted 07/16/2011  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list
that 1824 has some crazy MD on it
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 Posted 07/16/2011  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add master6238 to your friends list
Here is a link to a thread with some cleaning photos. desertgem was nice enough to post some photos of a cleaned morgan vs uncleaned one that he took with a microscope... check it out I think it would intrest you.

https://goccf.com/t/91417
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 Posted 07/19/2011  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MDA to your friends list
Cleaned by a Vinyl Eraser

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 Posted 07/19/2011  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list
Alladin, Thanks for this topic and thanks to all who are posting. This is helpful beyond words to newbies and also people who have been collecting for a while but do not easily recognize different types of cleaning. NooHope, I can't tell the 2 cent piece has been whizzed from the photo. What am I missing. I am subscribing to this topic. I will have to dig out some coins that were bodybagged over the years and post some pics with the reason.
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 Posted 07/19/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list
The pic was taken before I had any skill with the camera.
I will be retaking pics of my problem coins when I get back on land in about 5 more weeks.
I was going to do this for my web site anyway, so when each is complete with the diagnostics I'll post then here as well...
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