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2 Cent With No Observe

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 Posted 07/17/2011  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
no, just imagine, 2 coins, twice the normal width of a normal coin, for one, the strike would be HAMMERED, and there would be serious deformation with either coin, and the coins will most likely be fused.
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 Posted 07/17/2011  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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what if two blanks went in to the press, one on top of the other, resulting in two uniface coins - one observe and one reverse? stranger things have happened...


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no, just imagine, 2 coins, twice the normal width of a normal coin, for one, the strike would be HAMMERED, and there would be serious deformation with either coin, and the coins will most likely be fused.

Adam is correct. If two blanks came out at the same time, it would be twice the thickness the collar would be expecting - they wouldn't both fit, so one or both of the blanks would bounce out; the best you could hope for in such a circumstance is a partial strike on one coin and a big piece missing on the other. If by some miracle both blanks stayed in place exactly centred while the dies came together, you'd get fusion, and while they might be re-separable again with some effort you'd get coins that looked more like split planchets (except they'd weigh the same as a normal coin), and probably some secondary damage caused by whatever tool you'd have used to pry them apart.

The much more likely result is a capped die, as the mangled mess sticks to one die or the other and more blanks get added to the mix.

What you certainly will not get, in such a situation, is a coin (or two coins) that look like they have only been struck on one side. Such a coin could only be made in the mint if somebody put a blank die into the press - and blank dies never go anywhere near the coining room.

By far the most likely explanation is that someone has sanded off the obverse. Next most likely explanation is the split planchet I mentioned earlier.

If it weighs about half of what a normal 2 cent should weigh and the "blank" side is rough and striated, then it's a split planchet. If it weighs only slightly less than a normal 2 cent and the blank side is perfectly smooth, then it's a grinder job. Only if it weighs exactly what a normal 2 cent should weigh should a stranger explanation be sought.
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 Posted 07/17/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve - Oz 50c man to your friends list
ok, fair enough. always happy to learn!
so, demerest, how about it - can you weight the coin in question?
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 Posted 07/18/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list
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 Posted 07/19/2011  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list
I have a coin with the 'majority' of one side not there. It was caused from a strikethrough. However, there is still 'something' on that side. I don't think it possible for a strikethrough to eliminate a complete side. Therefore, I agree, that if it is completely blank then it is PMD.
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 Posted 07/19/2011  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demerest to your friends list
you guys are probably right it
i will try to get a picture of the coin tomorrow
since I don't have a camera
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 Posted 07/22/2011  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demerest to your friends list
here is the reserve

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 Posted 07/22/2011  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldude to your friends list
Yup, someone carved the obverse. Notice the pattern.
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 Posted 07/23/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list
Sorry, but that is certainly post mint damage.
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 Posted 07/26/2011  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add demerest to your friends list
i thought some carved off the observe
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 Posted 07/26/2011  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
yeah it was probably the start of a Love token that never got finished
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 Posted 07/26/2011  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve - Oz 50c man to your friends list
yep, now having seen the photo, agreed - absolutely PMD
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 Posted 07/26/2011  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list
Terrible deliberate illegal defacing of a legal tender Australian coin don't be caught with this in your possesion
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 Posted 07/26/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list
I've noticed this "unusual lead 20c forgery" in the latest Edlins Auction. Illegal and against ANDA rules for members to sell anything copy/fake/forgery.

http://www.edlins.com.au/182/p/Inte...nPage48.html
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 Posted 07/30/2011  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list
looks like fast eddie needs to remove that listing,he is not above the law and should know better
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