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1981 20c Varieties

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 Posted 07/30/2011  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinManTim to your friends list
Wes you've got me doubting my purchase now. Have tried looking at other people's posts and the "curved lettering". I may be blind or incompetent but I'm at a complete loss with this coin to tell if it has curved lettering or not. I was comparing it against a 20cent from a 1981 mint set, so it's possible by comparing an apple to an apple I'd see no difference.

What made you doubt it Wes?
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 Posted 08/07/2011  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesley to your friends list
It looks like the 4th claw is full length coinmantim,the photo just looks that way
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 Posted 08/07/2011  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
Hi Guys,Wesley it is actually the first claw that you have to look at & this coin looks to have a half First Claw as per Macca's guide description.
Tim,I blew your picture up & put the black line pointing at the claw,the smaller photo did'nt show it well.
If you click on the photo it's bigger again.

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& this is the section of the Macca's guide that describes it , bit hard to read but you can read it.

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I think the coin is a genuine 3 1/2 claw. & if you like Tim I believe you can do thisor this good buy.
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08/07/2011 10:44 am
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 Posted 08/08/2011  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Thanks for the information there appleangel07.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinManTim to your friends list
love your work appleangel ;)
thanks for putting me at ease with this buy.
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 Posted 08/12/2011  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Is there any particular reason a lot of 1981 coins were minted in Canada and Wales?
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 Posted 08/12/2011  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
From what I can remember, the RAM needed assistance to get enough coins minted and ready for the 1982 Comm Games, but they must have got their act together by 1988 Expo, as I think they managed that on their own.
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 Posted 08/12/2011  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Apparently there was a strike at the mint in 1981 too: http://www.australianstamp.com/coin.../decimal.htm (7th paragraph after The Fifty Cent Myth)
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 Posted 09/04/2011  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
I have a theory that the massive production of 20c in 1981 is the reason that 1983 and 1984 coins were not needed and that's why they were melted down. Just my humble opinion.
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 Posted 09/05/2011  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Seems quite plausible. Looking at the mintages it looks like there were quite a lot made in 1981 compared to other denominations.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eccentric to your friends list
I wrote the article in CAB so I thought I would upload some images that show the differences between the three 20c coins produced by the different mints in 1981.

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You can see the shortened first claw on the Canada die and the weaker fourth claw on the Wales die.

The following images show the differences in the SD - the Canadian die has a much clearer strike than the others while the Wales die has the S and D wider apart.


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The following images show the letters ELIZA for each die - the curves on the bases of some letters on the Canada die are easily seen.


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During my research I obtained photographs from the Royal Canadian Mint and The Royal Mint of the speciment coins in their collections. The 20c from Canada clearly shows only 3 1/2 claws and I believe that ALL Canadian coins show this variation. The fact that very few can be found in UNC is a result of their having been placed directly into circulation.

Finally, here is an image of the die chip found on some Wales coins to the right of the 0.

Hope all this helps!



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09/10/2011 8:09 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spg1 to your friends list

I have this variety in my collection:

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There is a dot above the "R"

Not sure where I got this from, maybe Downies. Anyone know about this one?

Cheers Simon
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 Posted 09/11/2011  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list
I have one of the dot above the 'R' variety. If I remember correctly, I paid just over a $100 for it about 2-3 years ago. No idea as to how many. Uncommon, perhaps rare.
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09/11/2011 02:32 am
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 Posted 09/11/2011  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list

Quote:
I wrote the article in CAB so I thought I would upload some images that show the differences between the three 20c coins produced by the different mints in 1981.


Thanks eccentric. The pictures illustrate the differences very nicely.
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