Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Keep Your Pm's In A Safe Deposit Box?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 57 / Views: 4,346Next Topic
Page: of 4
Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2011  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

Quote:
The stock market is admittedly a roller coaster lately, but I still think it's the way to go long term.

Well, it has been in the past, so the only question now is whether or not it will continue to be in the future. Considering all the things that the government and the Fed are doing, the future of the US dollar does not look good to me. The powers that be seem intent on inflating the dollar to insignificance... and they just might do it. Since none of us knows the future, we will likely be best served by being well diversified in various asset classes, including physical PMs. I would not ignore the US stock market as an investment but I would be very careful about where my money is invested. I'm liking Australia and Canada quite a lot these days. Asia too. I will begin to reinvest soon and when I do it will be about 75% in the above categories, including bonds and currencies, plus about 25% in a large cap dividend paying mutual fund.
Valued Member
United States
302 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list
When Chavez does not trust the U.S. and U.S. banks, I think it would be prudent for us to consider the same scenario that he is considering - Possible confiscation.

When Chavez decides to bring gold home, that is an indication that there is risk involved in storing gold out of your reach in times of crises.
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1502 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
bucket under the tree it is
Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
And really if the government is going to start acting ridiculous, what is to really stop them from confiscating your house?
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
189673 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I think Chavez's assessment of the risk is probably warranted. He is a much bigger target on the government's radar than the typical US citizen.

I would not worry too much about where you keep your stash. The same (hopefully legally issued by probable cause) warrants that would allow a safe deposit box seizure can also be used on your home or land. If the government is going to "start acting ridiculous" then I think no place would be safe.
Pillar of the Community
United States
830 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Getting back to the regular low-life type thieves and meth heads. Something people might not think of is taking pictures of PM's with a GPS smart phone can leave a cyber road map to the exact location of a stash.
New Member
United States
46 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cfibaker to your friends list

Quote:
Getting back to the regular low-life type thieves and meth heads. Something people might not think of is taking pictures of PM's with a GPS smart phone can leave a cyber road map to the exact location of a stash.


+1

Something most people do not think of is that there is basically no online anonymity at all. If someone is determined to find another person, they can and will. The thieves and meth heads are part of a problem that will become much bigger down the road. I am still not quite sure what people predict. If a SDB can be seized and your property can be seized then some schmuck can follow you out into the woods and find your buried stash.

I cannot help the cynicism at all... but here's what I see when I try to imagine people stashing secret silver/ gold reserves for the big Armageddon. I just wonder if they'll be riding around in their SUV's or actually walk and if they'll be rude and use their cellphones, while beheading someone who had some gold dust to buy a frozen McDonalds Cheeseburger...



Bedrock of the Community
United States
12437 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

Quote:
Something people might not think of is taking pictures of PM's with a GPS smart phone can leave a cyber road map to the exact location of a stash

Not just smart phones, some digital cameras have that capability as well. Geotagging is already a favorite tool for the smart B&E artists, get the GPS data from your online photos and then check your Facebook updates to see when you leave the house
Pillar of the Community
United States
830 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Good point, lucky my camera is of the slightly lower tech type.
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
189673 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Although it is very easy to turn that stuff off, the real problem I have is that you have to know to turn it off!

Stuff like this should be off by default. I believe "opt in" is the right way to implement features like this. If you cannot figure out how to turn it on, then you are safe from your own ignorance. However, if you do not know how to turn it off, you are vulnerable.
Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

Quote:
And really if the government is going to start acting ridiculous, what is to really stop them from confiscating your house?

They do it all the time. They tried to steal confiscate Gary Hart's $3 million yacht because after partially dismantling it, they found a few joints hidden by a deckhand Hart didn't even know.

If it was you or me, they'd have gotten away with it.

Our local police drive around cars repainted "confiscated from a drug dealer". I feel like putting another sign up, saying "You gotta expect drug sellers in a town where the cops steal cars".

Look up RICO and read cases like where they steal a landlord's house because the tenant had pot in the basement.
Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts
 Posted 08/25/2011  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

Quote:
Something people might not think of is taking pictures of PM's with a GPS smart phone can leave a cyber road map to the exact location of a stash.

Serves 'em right for not using a REAL camera!


Quote:
Look up RICO and read cases like where they steal a landlord's house because the tenant had pot in the basement.

No need, Fredd. I know a gal and her husband who owned a rental house. One of her tenants had quite a pot farm going in the basement of that house. Cops located it via computer analysis of the local utility system. Got a warrant, raided the place, arrested the tenants, and caused a terrific stink over it. My friend had to hire a lawyer and spend mucho dollars and time getting this straightened out. They eventually had to sell the house to pay their lawyer. It was pretty much a complete financial screw job, although they were able to avoid going to jail so I guess there was at least one plus in the whole mess.
Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2011  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Typically, the landlord has no idea, may even live out of state. Normal leases say the landlord can't even enter without advanced notice.

No way the landlord is going to have a sophisticated pot searching progrm, let alone access to city utility records.
Valued Member
United States
302 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2011  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list
The problem is that the law places the blame on the PROPERTY and not on the perps.

If the property (house, etc) is guilty of producing drugs, then they can seize the property and you have no recourse.

That is the way they get around the innocent until proven guilty part of the Constitution. Property has NO rights, so STEALING the property has no Constitutional protection.
Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts
 Posted 08/26/2011  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
It is true that property has no rights... but property owners do. This is how they were able to keep the house rather than have it confiscated by the government. The tragic part of this is that it was a Pyrrhic victory.
Previous TopicReplies: 57 / Views: 4,346Next Topic
Page: of 4
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.34 seconds to rattle this change. Forums