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Pillar of the Community
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The photos leave me unsure about its authenticity. As BJ observed, we don't see the right edge of the tail feathers running through the iron fragment. The upper margin of the fragment seems slightly elevated relative to the rest of the design. Both of these would point to a piece of metal that stuck to the coin after the strike. At the same time, the lower margin looks flush with the design and separated from it by a fissure. That's an indication of a genuine struck-in fragment.
An in-hand examination would be required to resolve the issue.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it is PM
Would think the FG initials would be affected
or at least parts of them showing up on the debris.
They seem to be fully struck and underneath the debris.
If a good chunk like that was on the planchet/die it should show weaker detail in any devices off to the sides of the fields. I.E.: the initials.
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Pillar of the Community
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Obviously I'd prefer it were a real error and not something done to the coin outside the mint. I think I do see the outline of the right edge of the tail on the iron fragment. It is partially obscured by rust but does appear to precisely follow the correct curve. I can speculate that the original fragment has been rusting in place since the coin was first struck and that is why the struck outline isn't more clear. I sent my photos to Fred Weinberg who has graciously commented on other possible error coins I've brought to his attention. He is traveling and should be back in the office next week; if he offers an opinion I'll share it here!  |
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Pillar of the Community
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It's probably bad form to keep commenting on my own post (  ) but I'm intrigued by this coin. I understand the comments about the coin details not being struck onto the foreign inclusion. My guess is that this iron or steel fragment was much harder than the copper-silver planchet metal and therefore its metal surface did not flow into the die recesses during the strike. Instead the piece was punched into the coin surface without acquiring much detail in the process. Nevertheless, I do see faint traces of the eagle tail feathers on the fragment. Here is a photo taken at an angle which I think shows these traces fairly well. I've also contacted error and variety specialist Ken Potter about this coin and will report back when he provides his input.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Rather than indicating the piece of metal was struck-in, it's possible that the flake of metal molded itself to the underlying design as the coin circulated. It's still a 50/50 proposition.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like it's on top of the design rather than in it.
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Pillar of the Community
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I see what could be tail feathers in the rusty metal. Is it possible that the "struck-through" piece is harder than the silver, causing a mushy struck? Add in 44 years of wear and rust and the design fades away.
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Pillar of the Community
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In the newer picture it looks to me like there is some of the tail feather design in the iron piece. Probably it's easier to tell in hand.
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Pillar of the Community
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Bump! I decided to go for the current ANACS submission special (10 coins for $100) and needed one more coin to complete the 10. So, I threw this half dollar in. If ANACS decides it's PMD I'll accept their judgment and just add the coin to my 40% silver stash. Either was I'll report back when my submission is returned. |
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Pillar of the Community
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I wouldn't trust any grading service to accurately evaluate an error of this nature. Foul-ups are commonplace, even with pedestrian errors.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
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I can't imagine how this damage could have occurred post mint. Sure, someone could have intentionally attached that piece of metal; maybe they did, who knows?
I'd be inclined to think this happened at the mint.
After all, look at how the lines on the tail feathers seem to follow along the steel piece. They match the lines on the coins.
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Pillar of the Community
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ANACS reports my submission is on its way back home. Their verdict on this coin is.... |
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Pillar of the Community
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Genuine error, per ANACS.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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It sure looked real when I just now saw it, and scrolling through the posts, I see it has been verified authentic as a strike through error! Very cool. The reason I thought it was a good strike through error was; the tail feather lines in the metal followed the same relief as a normal metal clad coin would, obviously since the metal is iron or ferrous, it has rusted. There is no spot on the reverse to indicate this piece of metal was pressed into the coin, outside the mint on say a vice, or with pliers. The obverse hair area is full struck and shows no signs of damage. I've seen a few Morgan and Peace dollars with stuff like this in them, but never a more modern coin. Nice circulation find Jaobler!  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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