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Lion & Bull ... I Think I Would Bet On The Lion?

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Lion & Bull ... I think I would bet on the Lion?

This is now my "oldest" coin ...

Lydia AR Siglos
Date: 545-520 BC
Diameter: 15.6 mm
Weight: 4.9 grams
Obverse: Confronted lion and bull.
Reverse: Two incuse square punches.

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Quick guess.... Lion on the left and some kind of Antalope or dear on the right side. Incuse punches on the reverse. I have a few of these super old BLOBS of numismatic interest. I will look into this further when I return home from work. I would think some kind of half stater, if I am not mistaken these things were like 10-12 grams for the full size denomination.



I found this.... http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sg/sg3420.txt

Starting bid $867 USD....WOWZERS! Very nice coin, predates the Persian "Running King" Siglos. WOWZERS!
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I take it you just purchased this Jerry? It is a gorgeous coin and older by far than any I own. It is a heavy coin for being so small. I would imagine it has a high silver content. Do you mind saying where you purchased? By the way, I wouldn't bet the house on the lion. If you've ever gone to a rodeo you can imagine what a bull might be able to inflict on a single lion. Lion's hunt in packs and that's a main reason they are so dangerous. That is besides the claws and teeth.
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Cool coin--and much older than anything I own.
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The oldest I got is an Ionia Miletos 1/12th stater dating from the top half of the 6th century BC. Might be slightly older or slightly newer then yours.
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steve,

Awesome coin......in Valiantknight thread, there was a part with the first World coin.... 650-600 BC..Man your getting close to that date...
although it looks alot like a filling that I lost last month.....
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Growing up, I always thought Lions were only found in Africa...Little Did I know....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L...ribution.png
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AncientNoob, thats amazing! I was wondering how the romans got all their lions when the distribution is how it is today.

Also, awesome coin. any idea what the indents are?
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I think its accepted that the impressions are just that, the end of the punch used to force the metal against the obverse die.
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Hi Bing => yah, I purchased this coin from "my guy" ... almost half of my coins are from "my guy" (he is a French Canadian dude, and he's also an ancients dealer) ...

Way back when, I stumbled upon "my guy", so I e-mailed DVCollector and asked him to check out "my guy" (DVC seems to be our resident Greek coin pro, right? => and an awesome dude!!) ... well, we both agreed that "my guy" had great stuff => plus, he is outstanding to deal/haggle with, for he is always willing to drop the price for his good customers ... he has a great seller's rating and a super return policy (not that I've ever had to use it) ... he's "golden" ...

NOTE => he is also the guy that gave me that nice ol' Greek coin "gift" (remember that thread? ... the free Greek Griffin coin)

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Oh, and as for the Lion versus the Bull thingy => yah, I admit that would depend upon the day and would probably vary greatly depending upon whether the lion was able to get onto the bull and start ripping at the neck ...

=> but if the bull managed to gore the lion with a horn-thrust then I agree, the lion would probably bugger off and lick his wounds ...

NOTE => however, I know that my old house cat could rip my arm apart when we were play-fighting and he could also teach our German Shepherd a few things ... cats are pretty outstanding fighters!
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Steve - I agree, a house cat can make you into tiny little chunks in a split second if it pleases.

I think those indents are suspect - thats definitely not a flat ended punch used to creat those. You should see if they arent patterned, that would be nice.
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I stole this from ValiantKnight's link

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...p?key=Incuse

... from the photos of my new coin, I can't really tell if the incuse stamp is supposed to be something, or if it's merely an old stamp with gunk on the end?

Once my coins arrive, perhaps I'll try to investigate whether the incuse stamp is actually something special, or merely a stamp to pound the silver into the obverse die ...

stay tuned (NOTE => I bought my coins this morning and my guy has already shipped them and sent me a tracking number => "golden")

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So your coin predates two sided coins? Cool!
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steve,

looking at your coin more closely, I see the Loin on the left, but it looks like an Eagle head, almond eye and a beak on the right...maybe I'm looking at it wrong....
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