Silver Taler Of Christian The Older, Lower Saxony, 1623

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poesprogeny New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 5:24 pm I'm new to this and tried reading all the rules for posting, so if I make a mistake here, sorry. Just let me know and I'll correct it. I inherited a coin, and after Googling various words together from the coin, I came across a coin that looks identical to mine in the Kittredge Collection. Newbies aren't supposed to post links, so I'll leave it at that. That particular coin says Object Type: coin, Denomination: taler, Material: Silver, Date: 1623 Authority Dynasty: Welf (line) Authority: Holy Roman Empire Authority: Bishopric of Minden Authority: Principality of Lüneburg Geographic Region: Lower Saxony Obverse Portrait: Christian the Older Here's are my issues: Though I've found my coin, I don't know the framework of what category to put the coin in to look it up, get a grade on it, and possibly to establish a value. This is a German coin, right? I don't understand why it says one Authority is Holy Roman Empire. I saw there was a forum for Roman coins up to 1600, but this one is later. I know next to nothing about numismatic aspects of coins. I've only been collecting silver for a year. I wasn't aware that silver cracked like that (it's not magnetic), and I don't know what the grade should be considering it's a 400 year old coin. To my eye, my coin is in much better shape than the one in the Kittredge Collection, except for the crack. Any thoughts about how I classify this coin and where I can look to get some kind of value on it? I've attached images of my coin if that allow someone to help me to figure this out. Thanks kindly! Report this Post to the Staff

Medieval Pillar of the Community 3772 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 7:17 pm First a quick explanation: The complete title was "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations" and in the words of Voltaire it is the greatest misnomer, he said it was "neither Holy, nor Roman or an Empire". That being said, everyone into history or numismatics before 1900 knows that "HRE" stands for Germany at large. Will look up your coin a little later, need some food right now. Report this Post to the Staff
poesprogeny New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 7:36 pm Thanks for the help and info! Even if the coin's not worth much, I do like learning about this kind of stuff. I really enjoy history and thought I had a decent knowledge base going. I didn't know that about the HRE. I need to read up some more on Germany. I was doing some more searching this evening and came across an auction lot advertisement. It doesn't have a picture, but has this info: German States - Brunswick-Lüneburg. Taler, 1623. Dav-6441; KM-9.14. Christian. Bust right. Reverse: Helmeted arms. PCGS graded AU-53. Estimated Value $400 - 450. What's interesting is the Davis 6441 ID number that matches to the same ID number used in the Kittredge Collection coin that I saw online. It sounds like the same coin, but graded AU-53. I have no idea what the grade on mine would be if it's even the same coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Medieval Pillar of the Community 3772 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 8:00 pm Here it goes, had a look into Krause's 1601-1700 catalogue (1996 edition). The coin was issued by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...%C3%BCneburg So yes, it is found under Brunswick-Luneburg-Celle in the catalogue. The territories of that duchy are in the modern German state of Lower Saxony. As you can see from the wikipedia entry, he was for a time bishop of Minden (and the coin was minted during that period). Minden itself is in Westphalia, which is part of the modern German state of North-Rhine-Westphalia. There are many different varieties of that Thaler, none with the specifics of your coin though in Krause - Krause makes reference to the Davis numbers as well, for a specific attribution you might need to get hold of the Davis catalogue. Your coin would grade at least aVF (conservative grading) and likewise a conservative estimate would put it above $100. Someone who specialises in Thalers might give a better judgement on this. Report this Post to the Staff
poesprogeny New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 9:26 pm Hey, I appreciate the help a lot. I'm going to read that article you cited in just a minute. It's amazing the variety of coins that exist just within one area during one time period. I didn't figure it would be a million dollar coin, but it's amazing that coins made in the last century can value thousands of times higher than a 400 year old coin. You offered a grade, and I appreciate it. Does age of the coin factor into the grade? Does a VF that's 4 centuries old have to compare to a VF that's ten years old? If age is taken into account, is there literature or a place that give instructions on how to evaluate ancient coins vs. modern coins? Thanks again. It's good information! Report this Post to the Staff
Medieval Pillar of the Community 3772 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 11:09 pm Quote: it's amazing that coins made in the last century can value thousands of times higher than a 400 year old coin There are many collectors for 20th century coins and if one has a lower mintage that can push the prices up considerably. You can get a high quality ancient Greek coin (ie well over 2,000 years old) of which a few hundred are known to exist for less than some modern coins where the mintage figure is known to be around 10,000. Report this Post to the Staff
Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 01/19/2015 4:59 pm CHRISTIANUS Dei Gratia ELectoralis Episcopus MINden DUX Brunsvicensis ET Luneburgensis Christian, by the grace of God, bishop-elector of Minen, duke of Brunswick and Luneburg (I did not find the latin of Minden) IUSTITIA ET CONCORDIA AN_NO 1623 justice and harmony Very very nice coin Report this Post to the Staff
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