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Coin Shows And Shops Vs The Internet?

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 Posted 03/19/2015  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SsuperDdave, I keep telling myself:

"ok, next week I'll have some extra money. I'm going to go to that coin shop, and ask to look through all of their old coppers, and even if I don't see anything I like, I'll buy something, maybe just a low grade cent, so they don't feel like I'm wasting their time."

But then next week rolls around, and I've already spotted that must have coin that one of my favorite online dealers has at a good price.

Debrajc, that's awesome about the early radioshack computer. I remember watching The Mary Tyler Moore Show on Nick at Night when I was a kid, and on one episode they got a new computer in the office. It worked with punch-cards, and it was the size of a refrigerator. Lol.
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 Posted 03/19/2015  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you know what you're about, you'll get better deals at a show than online even if you don't know the dealer. Cash talks because the 3% materially cuts into the dealer's margin, not because he's dishonest. Dealers want cash flow. Turnover. Numismatics is a low-margin business in most cases and inventory turn is more important than margin.
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 Posted 03/19/2015  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will make my way back to that shop or to a show eventually to do some browsing/shopping one of these days. If these darn internet people would just stop listing such great coins, I'd be ok.
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This...

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You're missing the chance to hold coins in your hand to see what they look like, and the chance to learn directly from people who know more about coins than you do.
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The opportunity to examine a large variety of coins in hand at a coin show beats browsing online images IMHO.

I have never bought a coin online*. However, I do like to look, especially when there are no Active Topics at CCF (which lists our members' ebay sales), but I have never pulled the trigger.

Coin shows feel so much better to me.


* US Mint products excluded
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 Posted 03/19/2015  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That reminded me of another virtue of online buying...

Coin shows 24/7/365!

Last night I couldn't sleep at all, so at about 3am I went to the coin show in my smart phone.
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Coin shows 24/7/365!


scottk reminded me that yes; you can buy coins in your pajamas!

It's not a major reason to buy online, but helps sometime. Often I go days without wearing pants! Of course, coin show dealers don't care either if you wear pajamas to an event; as long as your pj's have pockets for your money.
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unfortunately I dont know how much I trust my two LCS's. I get the vibe of they're only interested in a profit and not the hobbie itself. it may just be their personality types but id be happy to pay alittle more for something if it came from someone I could trust.
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This is just a great thread , with lots of good opinions and thoughts. Another thing that popped into my mind is the hobby is going to need new blood as us old codgers retire or go to the Smithsonian in the sky. Young people today interact much differently than us of the Baby Boom generation. They have grown up on line and communicate on what us older folk would call an odd level! Look at this CCF forum , there is an incredible mix of youth and veteran people interested in coins. The young people today want and demand instant gratification and the online experience gives that to them. Click a few keystrokes from viewing to check out and it is done! Another thing that all of us like , old and young, the excitement of a package arriving in the mail or by courier. Sort of the same excitement as unwrapping a present.
A local coin shop with a good owner is a wonderful place to visit. Great way to learn about the hobby and catch up on all the local gossip, numismatic and otherwise.But sadly these bricks and mortar shops are disappearing at a fast pace in our ever changing hobby.
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scottk reminded me that yes; you can buy coins in your pajamas!
I have learned to not make spending decisions while still clothed in my nightwear.
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Having been born during the Eisenhower administration, this newfangled Internet stuff was a bit of a task to adapt to initially. But from the moment it started, you could tell that it was going to change everything. That process is still happening - we're still sorting through and evolving what a place like Coin Community should and can be. Every day is still a surprise at just how much is possible with this amazing medium, and the only accurate estimate of what it's going to do to numismatics is that we haven't seen anything yet.

But it's a tide, and if you don't paddle with it you're not getting anywhere. A lot of dealers will be learning that lesson in the next few years. Small-scale brick and mortar coin stores aren't going to survive on their own without a city-size customer base.
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 Posted 03/19/2015  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you like it Pacific. I started this thread because I kept seeing posts where people were saying "I have never and will never buy a coin over the internet", and I kept wondering "why in the world would anybody want to wait months at a time for a coin show to come around where they *might* find a coin that they like? And why in the world would someone limit themselves to one or two local coin shops with limited inventory when there is an entire world of numismatic sales where they're bound to find a coin they can fall in love with right at their fingertips? "

Then I saw 1893s' post about having collected since 1968, and I thought to myself "ooohhhh...."

I get it though. There is an appeal to shows and shops much like a movie theater. I could sit at home watching all the high-def movies I want, but I still occasionally do pay the $10 for a small popcorn and the $8 for a small coke + the ticket fee just for the theater experience.

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I'll tell you a story scottk that I've told on this forum before. When I first started collecting I was 14 years old(1968). MY first real purchase was for 75 Morgan and Peace dollars for $500. I bought them from the local coin dealer who also became my mentor. These 75 Silver Dollars contained all the key and semi key dates including the 1893-S in Fine. I worked the whole Summer caddying carrying doubles for $10 a round (18 holes). You do the math, that was a lot of work. But I knew what I wanted and had been offered this deal by him....Since then I have always saved up money before I make purchases and I try to buy what I think is the best coin or usually multiple coins that seem like a good value and possible future realization of profit. I've always bought in person at a show or privately from coin collecting friends. I'm never in a hurry to buy coins as when I have been I've usually been somewhat disappointed. I tend to try to by higher graded coins when possible, I would rather have one real nice coin than 10 lower grade coins, this takes a lot of discipline, and hard knocks that I've learned along the way. This is my long term hobby and have been real satisfied with the results of my collection. I've also made many friends along the way.....With that said coin collecting is all about fun and each collector has to decide for themselves how they are going to approach this hobby.
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 Posted 03/20/2015  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSOTL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, you kinda got it right Scottk, it is a bit like going to the movies. It's just fun to be in the middle of all those coins and all the people who "get it", the people whose eyes don't glaze over when you talk about what you collect. There is some excitement involved that you just can't get online, not even sniping that little beauty off ebay, although that is pretty cool too. But then you have to deal with the negatives though, the rude dealers who don't take you seriously unless you're flashing Benjamins at him as well as the clods who monopolize that little area you want to check out. Limited or picked over inventory (cause the dealers are hiding the nice stuff for their buds), things like that. I have been dinking around with civil war store cards for a while and I gotta tell ya, shows and B&M shops just don't cut it unless it is a show that is big enough to get Steve Hayden there. If you have a similar offbeat thing going on the internet, and probably ebay, is your best friend. There are also dealers online that you can get a relationship, of sorts, going on. Give them a want list and turn them loose and see how fast things happen. I use the internet and enjoy both local dealers and shows and IMHO if people aren't using both they probably aren't getting everything they could out of the hobby.
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I posted this coin in a different forum under a different subject line, but it seems appropriate here.

Here is a Gem Brilliant Unc beauty of a Morgan on your favorite auction site.

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Let the bidding begin .......

Here is the exact same coin, in your hand at a coin shop or at a coin show.



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So much depends on the coin shows and/or coin stores. By me there are about 3 to 4 coin shows a month and all within about 15 miles or less. Looking at the internet and going to coin stores, there is no, absolutely NO, way anyplace on line can beat those shows. No wrong coin sent, no wrong photo shown, no postage, no handling, no restocking, no insurances. Most shows I go to have no admittance fees and parking to is free. One has coffee and donuts free too. Try getting those on the internet.
And too occationally a free copy of Coin World.
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03/21/2015 8:45 pm
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