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One Of The Major Reasons To Buy A Slabbed Coin...

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 Posted 02/16/2005  6:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add zakgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was reading David Bowers's column in Coin World 2/14/05) and he touched on Authencity...

"Regadless of inconsistencies about grading, a major protection is the seeming assurance of obtaining authentic coins. The situation was far differant years ago (before slabbing) when noted coin dealer, John J. Ford, Jr., commented that, in his opinion, nearly half of the 1916-D Winged Liberty Head Dimes he viewed at a coin convention, and being offered by dealers, were fakes.

In a trip I made to the coin department of Swiss Banks in the 1960's, more than half of the US gold dollars and $3 coins on display were counterfeits. In 1992, I had discussion on this subject with J. P. Martin (then of Anacs, now one of the head guys at ICG) and he related that he seen a flood of supposed Proof 1895 Morgans struck at the Philadelphia mint that were 1895-O or 1895-S Morgan dollars with the mint mark removed, and conversesly, a lot of so-called 1893-S Morgan dollars that were regular 1893 dollars with the "S" mark added. Now at least with the several leading services (he mentioned specifically PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG), this problem has abated."

He also states in the article that with the advent of the internet and on-line auctions (i.e., ebay), that fakes and counterfeits are getting more severe. After all, what happens to a seller once a fake is discovered (rarely), the auction gets pulled, but does anything happen to the seller!?! They usually go about their business with other fakes, and worst yet, may post the same fake coin at a later date hoping NOT to get caught.

A common trick by coin/fake sellers is to simply illustrate a coin or bank note and say nothing about it, giving the impression that is a newly discovered, a "rare" find for the taking. If the item is found to be fake, the seller can plead ignorant stating something to the effect, "I am not a coin collector...I am just helping this old laby sell off her late husband's collection."

I always ask the question, if you were presented with a 1909S-VDB 1c in AU55 condition slabbed by (insert PCGS, NGC, ICG or ANACS here) or the same coin offered by Chuck's Coins graded AU/BU at the same price, which would you choose?

Then the question becomes, how much is that authencity and grade worth to you and what does that peace of mind cost? $20 additonal? $50 additional?

Authenticity, sight unseen buying/selling, protection and display are reasons why slabs are here to stay.
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02/16/2005 8:18 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2005  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zakgold,

I don't think that you will get any arguments on the idea of authenication. The TPG have helped in this area quite well.

My response to this is not all coins need to be authenicated.

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 Posted 02/16/2005  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See the attachment. There was a time when someone could just get a coin authenticated and still be able to store that coin in whatever manner they wished. Now, yes, you can get a coin authenticated but only because you have to in order for it to be graded and slabbed. As far as I know no one will authenticate a coin and issue a certificate. Authentication is a good thing that I believe most of the TPG do pretty well. But I don't do "package deals." Package deals are, more times than not, a scheme to unload garbage that no one would normally want. Taking the coin out of a TPG holder and storing it the way I want under the guise that it's okay because at least I know it's authentic doesn't cut it either. If I want to sell the coin later then I have to pay them again.

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 Posted 02/17/2005  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only problem with the "old" authentication route was the ease to remove the coin. You could easily replace the coin with a fake. The TPG holders are easily spotted when tampered with. Now of course, I have seen them out there, and the average person may not be able to tell this.
While it is true that the services have limited the number of fakes entering the market place, this trend is taking a whole new direction. We have all seen the new "fake" slabs entering. It won't be long before these also have a better look and feel to them. Unfortunately it is difficult to stop a thief. As long as collectors go in search of the "something for nothing" deal, counterfeits will be around. The online auction houses have never done anything to stop it, and to be honest, I don't believe that they will. Too much money changes hands.

As far as the 1916-D Merc goes, there are 264,000 minted. Most agree that there are six to ten fakes for each authentic coin.
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Originally posted by national dealer

The only problem with the "old" authentication route was the ease to remove the coin.


That only fooled fools who didn't bother to look at their coins as no two are ever the same. I believe however there were instances where certs were counterfeited to fit with a counterfeited coin.
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You are absolutely correct. Seems we have to cater to the fools in life though. That is exactly the reason why my slacks have a label warning "Do not iron while wearing".
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