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 Posted 04/10/2018  3:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trixie123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All,

I am stabbing in the dark here as I have no idea where to start, so please be patient:)

I have an envelope with a coin in it I found in my safe from when my dad passed away over 20 years ago. The envelope reads, Ulpius-Cornelius Laelianus - 267 A.D.

Can someone tell me a bit about it and any idea of value?

Thanks in advance!

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 Posted 04/10/2018  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Would certainly need to see some images of the coin in question.

In 260 AD, the Roman emperor Valerian was captured in battle by the Persian forces of Shapur I. In the ensuing chaos, usurpers sprang from the woodworks, sometimes unwillingly, as a general could be proclaimed Emperor by the army, and there were few to no safe ways to decline such a declaration politely and keep one's head. One such unwilling usurper was Postumus, a general left in charge of the Western provinces against barbarian invasions. The imperial power had decreed that all booty taken from dead Germans belonged to the imperial treasury, so the armies revolted, killed Valerian's grandson (the son of the reigning emperor Gallienus) and elevated Postumus. Gallienus tried and failed to reclaim the lost provinces from Postumus, and his failure marked the de facto emergence of a splinter state - the "Gallic empire" as we call it today.

Postumus was able to stabilize the area, although in 269 (not 267) the usurper Laelianus challenged him. Laelianus was defeated after several months. Postumus' armies demanded that they be allowed to ransack and loot the city of Mainz as punishment for harboring the usurper, but Postumus refused, wishing to avoid further bloodshed. He was murdered on the spot and replaced with a blacksmith from their own ranks, who in turn was murdered four days later in favor of Postumus' star general, Victorinus.

Laelianus is among the rarer and more expensive emperors of the third century, and therefore fakes can be expected.

Did your father collect coins of the era? Simply put, Laelianus is the type of emperor that would not grab the attention of anyone but a specialist. I would expect to see high grade examples of the other Gallic emperors - at a minimum, Postumus, Victorinus, Tetricus I and Tetricus II.
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Please post a picture of the coin.
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Yes, please post a picture.

Edit: I must comment on your post Finn. Your historical knowledge is incredible.
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Sorry, they are not very clear. I hope this helps but will try again if needed.

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Really could use clearer pictures.
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99.5% sure that's the *much* more common Tetricus I.
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Not much of a pic is it ......
Just enough to read most of the name of TETRICVS
The reverse pic shows legend ending GG
This would be AVGG
ergo ........ Tetricus I would be the likely answer
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Is there a way to clean the coin?
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No suggestions on cleaning the coin?
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No suggestions on cleaning the coin?


First welcome to CCF. Second, please you gotta just slow down a bit. I know that 15 hours is a long time to wait for an answer, but some of us have day jobs too.

With regard to cleaning, the most obvious answer is simply "Don't!" Making this coin all shiny will not add to its value. If this was my coin, I'd leave it in the as-is condition.

However, in all actually, the answer is that you probably could take off some of that encrustation and improve the look of your coin. There is a little bit of greenish color that doesn't look like bronze disease to me (unless they are chalky). Here is a link to a great website with details to get you started:

http://romancoin.info/complete_guid...nt_coins.htm


By the way, we'd love to see pics of the "after" coin once you are done with your cleaning! Please come back and post them in this thread when you have a chance.
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