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3RD Coin Today, Need Your Input

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 Posted 08/05/2008  5:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malibu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This one has some good, recognizable features and I can make out some letters. 13mm diameter and it looks like bronze or copper. The standing figure on the reverse appears to have a wolf head, armour chest plating, and a staff and sword. There is an incomplete (did not go through the coin) hole near the head with green oxidation inside. This confuses the image slightly. I hope my pics are clear enough, It took me hours to get them clear and bright, yet fit the 100 KB limit here...maybe I should use full resolution and post them to Photobucket, which is preferable? Until Superdave completes his work in the photography forum I'm not sure what's the best method.

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 Posted 08/05/2008  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you cropped the pics, they'd be smaller. You haven't cropped them, just resized them - there's still a huge chunk of black space taking up unnecessary room.

As for the coin, I think the reverse type is Victory, a winged angel-like figure - your "wolf head" and "armour chest plating" are just results of a combination of a crudely made design and corrosion. The wings are a bit less clear than normal, and there's something wrong with the emperor's head on the obverse - that's very strange headgear for a Roman.

It's hard to tell with a coin in this condition, but I suspect your coin is what is known as a "barbarous radiate" - a coin struck unofficially, by peoples living on the fringes of the Empire. It would have been copied from a coin something like this one.
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 Posted 08/06/2008  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would respectfully disagree with Sap on this one. There is enough visible to determine that this is likely to be an AE4 of Helena, F L IVL HELENA AVG, diademed & mantled bust right / PAX PVBLICA, Pax standing left, holding olive branch & transverse scepter. Try looking here http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/helena/i.html for other examples of the type.

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 Posted 08/06/2008  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way the coin would appear to be from Trier (you can see TR something in exe).
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 Posted 08/06/2008  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, that's a much better match than anything I managed to find. I guess the funky headgear threw me off from looking up the ladies. It still looks "wrong" to me, but I assume it's simply corroded unevenly.
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Thanks Sap and maridvnvm. I browsed all the Roman Imperial Coins of Helena at the link you provided and I think I have it; the head dress for the posthumous issue is larger and bulkier and seems to match my coin well:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear/s3910.html

Sears #3910,except I have TRP(?) in exe and there are two pointy bits of head dress extending up to the rim, which look more like:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear/s3910.2.jpg

Helena lived 307-337AD so I would date my coin around 338-340AD assuming it is the posthumous issue.

Thanks again for the leads!
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