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Toning And Discoloration On Coins

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 Posted 03/15/2021  2:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hidalgo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
With all things being equal (e.g, storage, humidity, etc.) do proof coins tone, haze, and/or discolor faster than uncirculated coins? Or are they about the same?
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I guess it depends how/what the coin is carried in...?
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This is just a wild guess, I have no actual knowledge of this topic, but it seems to me that proof coins are more likely to show the effects of toning before a similarly stored uncirculated example.

I think it is because of one or both of these two reasons...

Either it appears to be faster because the otherwise perfect mirrored fields make the effects easier to see.

Or it is faster because the mirrored fields make it easier to spread, like flood waters over the plains versus the foothills.

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Sounds good to me Jbuck.
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Either it appears to be faster because the otherwise perfect mirrored fields make the effects easier to see.


This explanation I can totally agree with, in terms of the mirrored fields making it way easier to see imperfections, I bet that's 100% correct


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Or it is faster because the mirrored fields make it easier to spread, like flood waters over the plains versus the foothills.


This explanation, from a chemistry standpoint, is likely the reverse of what should happen. The rate of a chemical reaction has a lot of factors, but one of those is surface area, and a perfect surface with no bumps or grooves has a lower surface area. This means there is less area for reactions, like the oxidation that often causes toning.


As such, I would expect a BU coin to tone faster than a proof and just hide it better.
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I agree with jbuck. Proofs seem a lot more sensitive to toning IMO.
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it's easier to see a mirror fogging than it is to see a piece of unpolished metal fogging.

it's happening in both cases, just it's more apparent on the mirror.

Materials being equal of course as well as storage conditions, it's happening to both coins at the same time but you will notice it on the proof coin first.
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Metal is metal and regardless of Proof or not, if in the same area. same results.
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