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 Posted 02/01/2009  1:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hoss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ive already got some great help or a start on the id of this bronze coin.

Sap jumped right on it and gave me this info..OK, about 17mm. That would be a hemiobol; the smaller dichalkon didn't normally have an obverse legend, which this one does; I would read that legend as "AVT [kai] TRAIA ADRIA SEB" in Greek letters - emperor Hadrian.

I think I've figured out who's on the reverse, too: Demeter, holding a long torch and some ears of grain. That would make this coin the one listed in the catalogue Sear# 3821; the illegible date would be "L-IA" (Year 11), equating to 126-127 AD. Here is a similar one (though in worse condition) discussed on the FORVM forum.


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 Posted 02/02/2009  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What further information were you after?
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 Posted 02/02/2009  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hoss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well...Mr Sap I was looking to get more precise date and value maybe. Ive been told it could be a coin weight or a coin..I was just trying to get more accurate. Ive searched and e-mailed some collectors and have yet to get a complete Id on it..I building a portfolio for my daughter and I was just trying to get it the best I could..
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 Posted 02/02/2009  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've checked several auctions sites and have not found any recent sales of this coin, so it will be a bit difficult to give you a value. I suggest posting the coin on http://www.forumancientcoins.com they would be more likely to have your answer.
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 Posted 02/03/2009  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a coin; the denomination is a "hemiobol", or half an obol. In the ancient Greek monetary system used in Roman Egypt, there were six obols to a drachm, and four drachms to a tetradrachm. The mint city is most likely to be Alexandria, the capital of Roman Egypt.

It's difficult to get an ancient coin with a "more precise" date than this one has; for most ancient coins, you have to settle for a much wider date range. Hadrian became emperor on August 9th, 117 AD. His "First Year" didn't last long in Egypt, because the Egyptian New Year was on 29th August; his Year 2 went from 29th August 117 to 28th August 118. The 11th year of his reign therefore goes from August 29th, 126 AD to August 28th, 127 AD. Your coin would have been struck sometime during that year-long period.

As for value, the millennium edition Sear catalogue of Roman coins also includes a comprehensive list of coins of Roman Egypt, which is where I obtained the catalogue number from (Sear #3821). The volume of the catalogue that includes coins of emperor Hadrian dates from 2002, and gives a catalogue value for this coin of £15 in Fine, £30 in Very Fine. Catalogue values may have gone up slightly since this edition was printed, but not by much; for most ancient coins, the values change only very slowly, but do tend to adhere to the price in British pounds rather than US dollars.

Some of the inscriptions (such as the date) on your coin are either worn away or were weakly struck to begin with. As such, I would grade your coin at less than Fine (say, VG), giving it a "book value" somewhere around £10 to £12. At current exchange rates, that gives somewhere around US$15. But coins generally, and ancient coins in particular, are always difficult to fix a price to. Ultimately, a coin is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
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Sap you are an Awesome coin person and Echizento hats off to you for your help as well. I found this info and would hope you guys could tell me if this is my coin..and what does all the words say to me.. I do not understand them..? thanks Gentleman.

ÄGYPTEN

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotvi...2286&Match=1

ALEXANDRIA

Objekt-Nr.: 2286

Hadrian, 117 - 138 n. Chr.
Billon-Tetradrachme, (13,30 g.), 126 - 127 n. Chr. Vs.: AUT KAI TRAI ADRIA SEB, Kopf mit Lorbeerkranz, Paludamentum u. Panzer von hinten gesehn n. r. Rs.: L EN-DEKATOU, Demeter mit Fackel sowie Mohn u. Ähren n. r. stehend. Köln, Alexandria 940; Dattari 1341. Dunkle Tönung, gutes ss

Estimation: € 150,00
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 Posted 02/03/2009  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hoss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap

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I found this info and would hope you guys could tell me if this is my coin..and what does all the words say to me.. I do not understand them..?

Well, that particular coin was sold in Germany, so the text is abbreviated German. Here's roughly how it translates:

Hadrian, 117 - 138 AD.
Billon tetradrachm, (13.30 grams), 126-127 AD. Obverse: AUT KAI TRAI ADRIA SEB, laureate head, paludamentum and armour seen from behind. Reverse: L EN-DEKATOU, Demeter standing with long torch and holding grain ears and poppies. Köln, Alexandria 940; Dattari 1341. Dark toning, gVF.

"Billon" is a word that means "low-grade silver", normally less than .500 fine. A paludamentum is a type of Roman cloak. "Endekatou" is the Greek word for "eleven", written out in full; the "L" before it indicates this refers to a year. "Koln" and "Dattari" are German ancient coin catalogues. "gVF" is the grade, slightly better than Very Fine.

This coin has a very similar design to yours, and it's from the same year, but this coin is a base-silver tetradrachm, quite thick and heavy (13.3 grams); yours is a bronze hemiobol. There were 48 hemiobols to a tetradrachm.


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Long but a good read..

Yep, that's a good read; I didn't know some of that.

It's always best to post a link to an interesting site like that one, rather than directly pull text from it. Some website owners can be touchy about copyright, and could get the owners of CCF in trouble.
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thanks for the heads up on that Sap. If I could remember where I got that I would go back and fix it but I do not remember..sorry Mods I will delete..
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