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Commems Collection Classic: What If? 1948 Ogdensburg, NY Bicentennial

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The history of Ogdensburg, NY definitely skews French. It traces its roots to 1748 and French priest and missionary Abbe Francois Picquet. Picquet came to the New World (Montreal, Quebec) in 1734 and spent his time performing his duties as a priest and working on behalf of the interests of France. A primary mission of the priest was to convert as many of the original, local inhabitants to Christianity as possible.

In an effort to build a village for members of the aboriginal population that was accepting of religious conversion, he left Quebec in 1748 in search of a suitable site. He selected a site in the future State of New York at the confluence of the St. Lawrence and Oswegatchie Rivers; the Oswegatchie flows north from the Adirondack Mountains, the St. Lawrence River forms part of the border between the United States and Canada. Picquet oversaw the construction of a fort (Fort de La Presentation) at the site beginning in 1749. The multi-purpose fort was the first European settlement in the area, and served as a mission/church, a trading post, a school and a protected settlement.

The Fort, and surrounding area, grew into present-day Ogdensburg. NY. The settlement was named after Samuel Ogden who acquired the former Iroquois land after the American Revolution. The Iroquois had sided with the British during the Revolution and were forced to cede their lands as a result of being on the wrong side of the conflict's outcome. Ogden had purchased the land from New York State, and sold it to area settlers. The settlement was formally incorporated as a village in 1817 (Ogdensburgh), and as a city in 1868 (Ogdensburg, dropped the "H").

In March 1948, Representative Clarence Evans Kilburn (R-NY) introduced a bill that called for up to 100,000 half dollars "in commemoration of the two-hundredth anniversary of the founding of the city of Ogdensburg, New York." The bill's language did not make any reference to whether the coins were to be struck at a single Mint facility or if multiple mints were OK. The bill did, however, state that the coins were to bear the date "1948, irrespective of the year in which they are minted or issued" and that the coining authority for the issue was to expire on July 1, 1949.

In an uncommon twist for the time, the bill's language specified the primary design elements for the coin (though specific side assignments were not included). The bill stated that the coin was to feature "the likeness of Father Francois Picquet landing on the banks of the Saint Lawrence in November 1748, and also the seal of the city of Ogdensburg, New York." The description instantly reminded me of the design of the 1936 Providence. RI Tercentenary half dollar (aka, the "Rhode Island"), which features a landing scene on its obverse and Seal of Providence, RI on its reverse.

Seal of City of Ogdensburg
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(Image Credit: City of Ogdensburg Web Site, https://www.ogdensburg.org. Public Domain.)

The bill was referred to the House Committee on Coinage, Weights, and Measures, but never reported out for further consideration; the bill died for lack of action. It seems likely Representative Evans was hoping to garner some of the same Congressional support that had helped secure the recently-approved Iowa Statehood Centennial and Booker T. Washington Birthplace Memorial half dollars, but he had no such luck. The very local coin proposal became just another "What If?" story.


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If you're interested in learning more about Picquet, I suggest the following online biography in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography: http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/picq...cois_4E.html







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I honestly have never even heard of Ogdensburg.
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@Coinfrog: Not surprising. It remains a small city in upstate NY - population <11,000 - on the shores of the St. Lawrence River and doesn't have any major historical claims to fame.


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Amazing story commems that Representative Kilburn even proposed such a coin. This is likely the most trivial and insignificant event of local significance that you have so far reported on. Even the folks who lived in Ogdensburg in 1948 might never have heard of Father Picquet and his fort.

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Very interesting!


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Even the folks who lived in Ogdensburg in 1948 might never have heard of Father Picquet and his fort.
Would have made for a nice medal issued for local significance.
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Thanks for this interesting bit of history. If this WOULD have been approved, I think it would have been the commemorative with the most dates on it, as the seal of the city has 3 different dates on it already...
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... the commemorative with the most dates on it as the seal of the city has 3 different dates on it already.

Very observant!

An Ogdensburg, NY half dollar would likely have had four dates: 1749, 1817, 1868 and 1948 - it would have been runner-up to the 1936 Norfolk half dollar, however. The Norfolk includes five years: 1636, 1682, 1786, 1845 and 1936.


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The Norfolk includes five years


None of which is the year it was minted, 1937.
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The Norfolk includes five years

Oops, forgot about all the dates on the Norfolk! I was relying on my memory (not as sharp as it used to be) instead of looking it up .
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@hokiefan_82: BTW: Very nice/impressive US commemorative collection - Congrats on the achievement!

I encourage others to check it out via the NGC link provided in hokie's signature.


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Thank you very much, commems. I'm in the upgrading phase for that set; I just won on Heritage a PCGS MS66 Vermont to upgrade my current MS64. I had bids in on several others, but they went for more than I was willing to pay (well higher than PCGS price guide, even!). I'm starting to see that my bargain-hunting days for high-grade commemoratives may be coming to an end as the market appears to be strengthening for these wonderful coins...
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Very interesting Commems. More so as I have been in Ogdensburg NY. Recall it being a quant little town with an beautiful bridge to Canada. Thanks for sharing an interesting write up.
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In 1969, Lloyd King of Lisbon, NY produced round medals of sorts (looks like a large coin) that were Father Picquet themed; a sort of memorial to Father Piquet. Lloyd used to distribute them around Ogdensburg, NY throughout the 1960s to 1980s.
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@ picquet1 to the CCF

Nice addition to the thread, thanks for sharing that image. Can we see the reverse as well?
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The image on left is the reverse side of Father Picquet coin-like product. On the right is a coin-like product made about the same time -- Centennial of Ogdensburg (observe and reverse are the same).
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