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1879-S $1 Morgan Dollar #4

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$58. Thoughts? Thanks!

1879-S-$1-Morgan-Dollar-#4
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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I'll go with MS-64.
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what the heck are the discolored areas on both sides? MS...maybe. straight grade? not sure
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MS details. Possibly cleaned and looks like some tooling marks below the chin.
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Obverse fingerprints

Unc Details, cleaned/lightly wiped
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It does looked potentially cleaned. Unc Details - Cleaned with these photos
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Reverse looks gem, commonly found on the 1879S r79 Morgans. I agree that it looks to have some cleaning hairlines. I'm guessing the marks under the chin may be a fingerprint over a planchet flaw or gouge?
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This came in. Further thoughts? Thanks!

1879-S-$1-Morgan-Dollar-#4
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Looks like the MS/Det crowd had it right. A little sad - this looks like it may be a PL coin.
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MS details.
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UNC Details - Cleaned
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I'm not seeing the cleaning. Is it the cloudy area under UNITED?
I do see a fingerprint between PL, scrape under the UN (UNUM), Reed Marks in the field by the neck.

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Fingerprints are at E PLUR and under the chin

Obverse is the problematic side, so to speak, multiple hairlines in the field in front of the bust and across the cheek, and two fairly noticeable hits in front of the chin at S2-S4.

Reverse is mostly die file lines (not PMD) but there are a few some non-directional hairlines there as well.

I'd give it about a 40% chance of straight grading.
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