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Determining Fair Market Value Of Coins Removed From Holders.

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 Posted 05/24/2024  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My collections are for my pleasure, not an investment... Losing a bit a value is not going to deter me from putting nice looking coins in "my" collection.
I feel exactly the same way.
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These coins are so dramatically underpriced (for the main part) that any money you lose cracking them out should be insignificant to their potential value.
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I've graded only a few coins but one of them was a 1987-D cent that was the cleanest and best struck I've ever seen for the date. It was also PL and was struck by a brand new die evidenced by the "roughness" they display on all the high points. I've checked only a few thousand coins of this date but this coin was far superior to the second finest.

It would have been a $50 coin in MS-67 because it is so common in this grade. Fully 3% of mint set coins are MS-67. In MS-66 it would be a money loser and worth only about $10. It was sent in because I was hoping for a 68 PL or even a 69. It came back "MS-65". At this level it's really just a toxic little slug just like most of the pennies in circulation.

Needless to say if you pick up coins like this one for two or three dollars apiece you should make out quite well.
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 Posted 05/24/2024  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After reviewing the responses received I should have recognized the others that understand why I do what I do. My album runs from 1959-2011. It was completed some time ago almost exclusively from circulated coinage. When I realized many issues were not included in the album I added additional pages for them. Knowing I would not find them in circulation,I searched them out out and discovered they were available for modest prices and appeal compared to my mostly circulated condition. So why not. It took off from there. I began to cull the worst of the best I had acquired in circulation with modestly priced nicer looking replacements. So here I am.
Collecting this series for an investment, IMO, only pertains to Registry sets. Way out of my league. Perhaps my great grand children's kids would benefit financially from my efforts. I do it for me, now.
LWC are what I really know best. I can grade them pretty well. But to complete the series in the same manner is out of my price range. I have enough examples to start a circulated set though incomplete, as most are considering the high priced key dates.
My dad, that will be 93 next year, has three complete sets of LWC's. His collections started in the 50's. He has 3 1955 FS-101's!
To say I am losing money to break them out only pertains to those that want to profit, not to those that want to touch and hold.
I have squandered much more on beer and booze and other vices that I have nothing to show for, than having the pleasure to see and hold something that will endure and bring me pleasure. To me, nothing brings greater satisfaction than looking at and holding nice coins. Not an investment. I live only for the moment.
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How would you show off your collection if you pulled out 100 slabs and then had someone look at them. I can see both sides so good luck collecting.
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Yes, about the same as the slide shows I had to endure at get togethe during my childhood but worse.
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Personally, I agree with your logic to fill an album with high grade specimens. Only two issues coming to mind which affects fair market value. First, not only does the encapsulation gaurantee the grade it also protects it. So I'd automatically reduce it by one grade point should you decided to resubmit it in the future. Second, and this affects your initial cost, regrading it will in reality exceed it's value once the fees and processing are applied. However, selling it at some point freed from it's encapsulation wouldn't yeild near that of one already graded. Perhaps 75% at best? And only on the tougher dates.
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I never buy holdered coins.
They don't fit my album system.

Like to grade for myself, anyway.
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Dowhat,


Your Question, " how does the market value change. ".

I see Coin Market Value as This, a Consequence Unseen is, Your Graded Coins have labels, those labels are Also part of the Third Party Population Reports which follow a Coin.

That said I understand I am Veering Away from Your Question, or NOT.

Those Pop Reports have a " Seated " or Posted Place in those reports for Every Single Coin given a Label. Hope I am clear, I see the Pop Reports as a False or Not Realistic Report. In that, Every Single Coin in those reports has a Reported place for coins, it was Counted!!!!!!



Now, Every time the Market Value is in Question, People tend to rely on Those reports for Information that Clearly has a Flaw, No One knows How Many Coins are Actually Out There, Resubmitted coins Must Be Included, How?

Never let Anyone or Anything veer You from What You Choose to Collect, Knowing Your Father's Collection Must have Helped You decide!!!!! Dowhat, You Want !!!!!



Certainly This has an Effect on the Market Values, No
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I just crack coins out when I think they are hot or suspect without any proof or if the original owner or seller I suspect will report them stolen even though they outright sold me the coin or lost it in gambling. I don't like coins in cases however, I like the pictures I can take of some slabbed coins now that they are slabbed for some reason the look of the coin is brighter and looks more lusterful then the image of the coin from mine own eye perspective. For example I have a 1857 Flying Eagle cent and in person it is dark and dingy looking but when I use the camera the coin looks golden nickel colored.
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I am one of those that buy the coin, not the holder. Wanting the finest examples of LMC's to fill my album, I purchase holdered (slabbed) Lincolns and free them from the slab for my album. PCGS and on occasion NGC. MY purchases are based on their price guides and I get pretty fair and sometimes great deals in relation to the price guides.
After I bust them out and put them in my album, I catalog the slab labels for verification of the coins rated grade with the amount I layed out.
So my question is this . Once I have liberated these coins and returned to a raw state rather than a "slabbed" state ,how does the market value change. I cannot grade coins. I rely on the most recognized TPG's to determine that. I add nothing less than MS67. Mostly MS68 and a 69 went its a bargain.


No judgment or criticism is intended in regard to your practices described above because everyone should be able to collect and build a collection the way they want.

However, if you're building a collection of high graded LMC's and are only buying slabbed items because you don't trust your ability to grade, then you are not buying the coin, you are buying the slab.

Again, not criticizing. The idea of buying the coin not the slab includes being able to judge for yourself the grade, independent of whatever the grading company says. This way, if the coin is over graded you avoid their error and if its under graded you get the benefit.

If you're relying on the grade on the slab to make the purchase then you're buying the slab. I frequently do the same thing, especially when buying an item where the $$$ are big between one grade and the next, for instance. Only makes sense to me if MS65 is $100 and MS66 is $350, for instance, to get a second opinion on the grade to justify the purchase as I'm not sure I could tell the difference on my own.
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Morgan's Dad, and HK, you both make valid points and points well taken. To be sure, I will never be resubmitted these coins. They will remain where they are and I accept the fact they may downgrade at least a point after liberation. That matters not to me. Someone paid alot more than the 15-20 I spent to have them encapsulated hoping for that 69 or 70. I reap the benefits for a reasonable price and gradually upgrade my already completed album.
And I completely get the population thing. Perhaps it would be prudent of me to contact the TPG and inform them that this registered coin has been removed from the population and the numbers could adjusted.
I am slowly replacing the worst of the best I have collected from circulation.
I am quite comfortable grading LWC's. Yet higher price tags for high MS examples are mostly beyond my budget. LMC's are not.
Buy buying the slab as previously correctly pointed out in received responses, I am at the same time collecting specimens of the TPG's criteria assisting me in becoming more adept at determining grade for myself. Once I gain this knowledge, then I can truly buy the coin not the slab. It is a learning process for me at this time.
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They will remain where they are and I accept the fact they may downgrade at least a point after liberation. That matters not to me. Someone paid alot more than the 15-20 I spent to have them encapsulated hoping for that 69 or 70. I reap the benefits for a reasonable price and gradually upgrade my already completed album.
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Just the thought of cracking out, handlng and insertting high grade red Lincolns into an album scares the heck out of me.
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Just the thought of cracking out, handlng and insertting high grade red Lincolns into an album scares the heck out of me..


Well, I do wear the gloves and take great care in the process. At worst they may go to RB or even Brn. Yet the condition should endure.
I don't scare to easy. Especially in this respect. Heck, I used to jump out of perfectly good airplanes with 150 lbs. of equipment hangin' on me usually in the dark of night.
Do it Coinfrog! Bust that slab and overcome your fear!
I've got 2 on the desk now awaiting the 16oz. hammer. A 2007 D Satin Finish LMC PCGS MS66RD, and a 1964 LMC PCGS MS66RD. Shall make you a video?
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Heck, I used to jump out of perfectly good airplanes with 150 lbs. of equipment hangin' on me usually in the dark of night.


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I've got 2 on the desk now awaiting the 16oz. hammer. A 2007 D Satin Finish LMC PCGS MS66RD, and a 1964 LMC PCGS MS66RD. Shall make you a video?
Yes. Yes you should!
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