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Portuguese Gold Coins (Around: Joao V ~ 1720 )

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 Posted 04/27/2026  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tontonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PS: I am sorry if I hurt somebody, when I thought that the silver coins are scrap !

I missed the prices rises: wow, an ounce is now at 75$ already.....
then money come by also for silver coins.

I just remembered in the 70th the central banks were withdrawing all their silver coins: because silver got to expensive for them: Sfr 5 (Swiss francs) or 5 French Francs was the value of their coins then.
My god, quite an increase.
Sorry, for that: I 'm more looking for cash :) But at that price, yes, it seems interesting also.
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 Posted 04/27/2026  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tontonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I also found the pdf of the Volume 3 of:
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Descrição geral e histórica das moedas cunhadas em nome dos reis, regentes e governadores de Portugal
It is here for download: https://dn790006.ca.archive.org/0/i...araguoft.pdf

And a preview page, of the Joao V plate:
Portuguese-Gold-Coins-Around:-Joao-V-~-1720-

That plate is less good visible, I believe it's because they do not have good coins from Goa in Portugal? I don't know, but for me it's good enough to work on.

Thanks a lot folks,
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 Posted 04/29/2026  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins from portuguese india are very much appreciated in Portugal even if only by a few collectors. Do not melt the silver. The logical place to sell them would be Portugal. There are still books about these coins that are nowhere online.

Regarding legality. Shipwrecks of state navy ships are illegal to salvage in most countries, depending on which conventions they acceded. They remain the property of the flag state. If it still exists. But everyone seems to ignore that. And trade ships are not similarly covered. Those coins were used for trade all around the indian ocean for some 200 years. A hoard found inland may have been hidden by pirates, businessmen, whomever in the past. I can not believe anyone would raise questions about the provenance of the coins.

Regarding history. There were several minis operating in portuguese india. Besides Goa there were also Malaca, Damão, and temporarily some others. Sometimes coins were struck in other mints for use in India or in west Africa. Sometimes it is not clear where a certain type of coin was struck. There are still arguments over it.

The value of most coins from portuguese India will always be several times their metal value. VAT or export duties are small compared to potential gains from selling the coins for collectors.
If you are sitting on such a large hoard go to Lisbon with samples and shop them around. There are plenty of traders that would be eager to buy.

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 Posted 04/30/2026  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tontonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, I think I have to search for some institutional buyers.
a bank, a sheik, or somebody interested in coins, with a large background.

The auction sites (or the like) they only sell some single pieces every 5-50 years.

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Associação Numismatica de Portugal (https://anumismatica.pt/ )
has every few months an auction: but gold coins are quite rare, certainly most of their members have already one, or they cannot efford it. Not much sense, to make an auction, if there is only a single buyer.

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I'm afraid I've found a fortune, but it will take me a even larger fortune to place them in the market + 50 years.

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@tdzemia: you wrote:
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"Of course we are always interested to see photos so we can better help."

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I did take home only few specimens (in my purse): I didn't want to risk to have them confiscated at the customs.
I'm afraid also to get grilled, if they are posted on the internet: who will buy them, later on, if they know, many more will follow, slowly and from the same source?
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Well, I would obtain hardly more than the metal price (gold, or silver price), if you'll know, there will be some 50 or 100 pcs. more of the same type later on, coming thru other auction sites.
Therefore: sorry for the moment: no images. Please have some patience, at a later moment I will post pictures of course....

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Well, I think I will place for the moment just 1 coin in Portugal, 1 in USA, 1 in France... just to check the price they will give.

I think that's enough for me for a year.... so, if I cannot get "rid off them" over a short period: I'll do it every year.
+ some 10-20 (or 50) of the silver coins ?

I don't need all that money.... shall my heritiers break their mind about it, I think they'll have no problem.
But would be nice to cash everything... so I could still make a few years the party..... well, I'll take it as it goes....

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 Posted 05/01/2026  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck.
We will be interested in how the sales go.
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 Posted 05/01/2026  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The ANP would not be a good option to place coins. It only provides a place for auctions, the people selling the coins in those auctions are mostly coin dealers. Some collectors also. Small scale.
There should be several dozen collects (me included) interested in that type of coins. But to sell in quantity you will want a dealer.

That as why I suggested you should check around in Lisbon. Talk to the dealers in person. I am not going to write names here in public but there is at least one dealer in Lisbon who can easily buy hundreds of expensive pieces in one go to sell over time. This one I am thinking of also happens to be the most honest one in evaluating coins.
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