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1892 Barber Half Dollar - Please Evaluate The Toning For Premium And Type

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This is crazy. I would say my coin has far less hairlines or striations than either of these..


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I promise, these pictures were 100% oriented correctly...this site is a bit frustrating.
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i highly doubt PCGS would have straight graded a coin with that many scratches on it let alone slab it at 66. here is the TV on the PCGS site and the scratches are not there.
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Panzaldi - they 100% DID and would..

I zoomed in on the "TV" picture and you can clearly see the scratches.

Also, there are TWO coins there with major scratched on both. One is the 1897 your questioning and the second is a 1911.

As long as the scratches are not post mint mark damage, they seem to let them straight grade on all types of coins.

I just don't get why MY coin is being sandbagged.

Here is the picture zoomed in for your review and you can totally see the scratches.



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Both of those coins are selling on ebay right now, thats where I found them today.
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I will say, this IS the frustrating part with regards to photos...

PCGS "dolls up" the archive "TV" photo to a fault... You need to see the true skin of the coin, otherwise what is the point?

On the other hand, my camera and both owners of these barbers are at the mercy of THEIR camera when posting to sell... Any potential buyer that see's the ebay listing and looks at these photos would likely run away or likely do what I did.. and question it because relative to my coin.. they appear a lot worse.

The reality is they may very well be worse, but our cameras magnify the blemishes and make them look way worse sometimes than they really are - even under 3X.

Just food for thought.. Still believe, I could actually bump up potentially to PR64 after seeing the 1897 and 1911 however - especially with what I call early / mid life toning that adds to the eye appeal.

Like we all have been saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which is why their is an absolute subjectivity in all of these coins that are graded.
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One more thing Panzaldi - I know you mentioned that you have been consistent in your eval of the toning.. however it has changed from your first impression - possibly due to how I changed my methodology and as a result, the progression of pictures, had less and less light in.. which in turn, represented the coin in a darker tone.. This is not really true to the coin's natural color and I would say the darkest the skin gets is around gun metal grey - perhaps a tad darker in some places. The electric blue and pink hues are representative of early / mid not end stage toning.

Here are your original comments:


"based on what I can see your coin would not be considered Amazing, I would place it in the Above Average toning box. it would not have added any bump in the grade imo.

here is some insight into how PCGS looks at toning for both MS and Proof coins

PCGS uses seven levels for toning: Amazing, Positive, Above Average, Neutral, Below Average, Negative, Ugly.

MS/PR68 - Must have positive eye appeal.
MS/PR67 - Must have above average eye appeal.
MS/PR66 - Cannot have below average eye appeal.
MS/PR65 - Cannot have negative eye appeal; can have below average luster/toning only if outstanding in all other areas"
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