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 Posted 02/05/2005  09:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone believe that once NGC and PCGS begin to grade currency that the currency market will take off?

The TV shows are all making claims about how great it is, but we have had currency grading for a while now. Will the names of the two large coin grading companies make that much of a difference?
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 Posted 02/05/2005  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really don't think so but who am I to say. I have a tremendous amount of love for some of our older notes but have found they do not have the demand that coins have and are not readily available in this area. They are also a tad bit harder to sell as folks here (Indiana) seem to prefer something more tangible and silver and gold fill that function very well. I would also point out there are a tremendous amount of collectors who feel the grading companies are nothing more than a business that has created a false market by putting coins in plastic coffins! Personally I detest slabs but find a sense of security when purchasing key dates or very hard to find items and even then some of the grading companies HAVE authenticated and graded counterfeits coins! (WHOOPS)
I buy a tremendous amount of high grade raw coins and have found, over the years, that this offered me a tremendous learning experience! Just buying a slab and taking someone else's word on a grade really doesn't appeal to me and I can't understand the MAJOR jump in value between any coin due to its slabbed or unslabbed condition. I can see the $15 to $20 grading fee but that would be the extent of it. For example one can buy 2005 silver eagles in MS 67, MS68 or MS69 all day long for $9.00 give or take a few cents. Why would I want to pay $20, $40, $70 or more for the same coin. Proof sets is another area where I just can't understand WHY in the world would anyone pay $99 for a slabbed Statehood Quarter? Is the NEED to feel better than someone else really that important. Is the "my coin is better than your coin attitude" worth that much difference in your hard earned money? Sorry, I just don't understand this way of thinking so not being a full time currency collector I would have to say No to your question and add that I feel the grading companies, when they make this kind of jump, is nothing more than greed driven.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collect4fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think as with anything that has a big name label on it, it will always attract more money. I know the saying is "buy the coin / currency, not the holder", but certified items will in the end command a premium.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are the possibilities that currency collection doesn't seem as popular because a)knowledge of it is not as readily available and b)authentication and grading are not as standardized?

Although coin grading has its problems, there are overall guidelines that most agree on. Currency seems to have been kept kind of "in the dark". With the big two companies stepping in, this could create a standard (or as close as you can get with something so subjective). As a result, the demand may increase because now there would be commonly recognized grades from well-established companies. There is also the authentication issue. That could boost the market considerably.

With the two big grading companies getting involved, I'm sure that we'll see much more information become more readily available also which in turn makes this a more visible collectable item.

I think we could see some pretty significant changes in currency collection.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would love to see currency come into its own. Many do not understand the little things that make one piece hold a higher value than another. Some are minor differences created in the plates. A bit picky to me, but I guess every little thing counts.
For some issues, there are really just a handful known to exist, yet can be picked up for small amounts of money. Of course, with National Notes, you can pick up a note that looks just like it but another bank for pennies.

I do like the idea of the two big guys competing in the market though. I am nowhere good enough to spot a "doctored" note yet.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it will help the market as alot of paople who don't know much about currency will do the same as people who don't know about coins, they will take the word of the dealer and the word of the grading company and use that to make their decision to buy or not. I'll tell you one thing, I hate when I go to a show and see row after row of slabs, alot of the people involved in slab trading are just in it for the money and don't know much at all about the coins they are selling. I do buy slabbed coins, only for my Walker short set that I am doing in MS64, I am no expert grader so I lean on the slabs to know that at least the grade is very close to what it says it is. Also if I ever go to sell there is no arguing about grade involved.

So I think we'll see the slabbed notes get off to a good start, after that who knows.

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 Posted 02/05/2005  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I can say this "It would benefit the new collector in more ways than one BUT what will it do to current values?" I know demand plays a major role so it will be interesting to see what does happen. I am not a currency collector but do buy a note now and then just for my own enjoyment and up until this point the grade hasn't really played much of a role as I think wear on a note gives it personality and it enhances the history! I guess we will just have to wait and see what the serious collectors and the market does in the near future for our answers to this one.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would seem to me that, once the grading companies are involved, it should make the circulated notes cheaper to come by. So if you like the circulated notes for the history, this could be a nice change for you
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 Posted 02/06/2005  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Over the years I have had the opportunity to own several really nice notes. Even though I think some of them are truly beautiful works of art the conflict within the collecting community kept me from activly collecting them.

Stories of how people attempt to hide flaws, iron them to give the impression they are better than they are ect, ect. I give society credit for being able to undo about anything that nature has done. When it comes to currency I think I will leave it to the experts.

Having said that. If the slabbing compies get involved I'm afraid we will end up with the same problems we are having with the coins No one will have a clue how to grade them and the complaints will fly.

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 Posted 02/06/2005  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinNut4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I beleive it will impact prices National Dealer..........
once these two big companies get involved........if they can do two things..........keep their standards high..and be able to set up a registry of the best known notes........I see no difference between what has already taken place in the coin market and any collectible for that matter.........once a particular group of collectors are specified...and one can be assured of not having to worry about if the note has been cleaned or pressed and that it is indeed genuine and not a counterfiet.........then I can see new collectors headed that way........lets face it......alot of what we call mystery associated with collecting is knowledge......plain and simple.....but alot of people shy away from coins and or any collectible because they are afraid they will get burned.........I see the TPG's sort of like insurance.......and as anyone knows......insurance costs!!
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 Posted 02/07/2005  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I spoke with NGC about adding registry sets for currency. At this time, their are no plans for it, but let enough cross their desk and we all know how that relates to what happens. I do like the idea and it is growing on me more each day.
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 Posted 02/07/2005  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zakgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A stock broker from the 80's referring to bad stock: "Just put some lipstick on that pig, dress it up and SELL it."

It pretty much is what Coin Vault does, but with loud pitches, lights, and more sizzle than a grilled steak.
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 Posted 02/08/2005  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish them the same reception that ICG got when they tried to get into slabbing casino chips.
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 Posted 02/08/2005  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy...! do I agree with you on that one one...! However a lot of collectors are being ripped off by altered and "Fixed" notes that may be curbed by the service.

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 Posted 02/09/2005  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with that. There are some people out there who can doctor a note very easily and as far as I know there are only a true handful that can spot them. I have been priveledged to know Judy Kagin and she has taught me many things about currency. Unlike coins, currency will not always show easy to see tell tale signs of cleaning or altering. I do believe that the grading services will help to bring more attention to the area of collecting, but I will wait for their standards before judgement.
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