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 Posted 09/09/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I was thinking it was a 58 myself.
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Yes PCGS probably knocked it down due to the toning. Their web site indicates a coin can be upgraded or downgraded several levels due to eye appeal:

http://www.pcgs.com/eyeappeal.html
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So would it make sense to maybe dip it and remove some of the dark toning to get a better grade as it could make a big difference for value. Yet I don't want to do anything to damage the coin.
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IMO the dark toning doesn't look bad on the reverse.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
man thats brutal. It looked like a 58-62 to me.
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Perhaps you could send it to NCS and see if they are able to remove something. I am sure they can't do anything about the toning but they could sure do something about the other issues.
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I haven't heard of NCS before as I am from Canada and pretty sure they don't have an office here. What do they do?
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Yeah, I was thinking it was a 58 myself.






Maybe it's time for a resubmit?
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So would it make sense to maybe dip it and remove some of the dark toning to get a better grade as it could make a big difference for value.



NO, it would not make sense to do that (IMO, of course).
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As far as I know, PCGS doesn't have a conservation service. Perhaps during a show where NGC sets up shop, you could submit it to NCS. Not sure if they come to the Canadian shows often.
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I have an offer from Heritage auction house to buy it outright for $1500. So the question is whether I take the offer or try and get it restored and the regraded. Any more opinions?
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I have an offer from Heritage auction house to buy it outright for $1500. So the question is whether I take the offer or try and get it restored and the regraded. Any more opinions?


That's a pretty reasonable offer at the grade. PCGS will_not take a Mint State coin below MS60 based on eye appeal, so this coin has seen circulation. Say what you will about them, but PCGS rarely misses Circulated vs. Uncirculated when they give a grade as low as AU53. AU58, I'll argue, but not 53.

Seated dollars are not uncommon with toning this dark (it's not crud, it's toning), and they're less likely to lose drastic eye-appeal points - in no way exceeding two Sheldon Scale points anyways - than other issues with similar toning.

Although NCS can remove toning from a coin, it's an iffy proposition indeed to have toning removed from a circulated coin. I will not dip a circulated coin, under any circumstances. If you do have them conserve, and it makes it into an NGC slab, you're looking at roughly a 5-point reduction in value over PCGS-slabbed prices, anyways, so you'll lose the value of grade gained.
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IMO though, just compared to what I've seen for 50-53, this coin does not have the same wear. It seems possible that they might have considered this a slider instead of Unc, then taken it down to 53.
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I was thinking AU 58. I still can't figure out how the TPG's handle the eye appeal factor.
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Please show the more detailed pics.
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