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Bank Of England 1804 Dollar Overstrike

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 Posted 04/02/2015  3:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add worldnumis to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Are there any obvious red flags. This was purchased from a Christiansen Auction many years ago. The diameter is 40 m.m. and it weighs 26.8 grams. Portions of the under coin are visible with a glass, but not enough to tell the type or date. The edge is mostly plain except for a small area that shows the circle and squares of an 8 Reales.


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 Posted 04/02/2015  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not within my (limited) areas of expertise, but I'd opine that the details you mention (traces of the original coin) would require the talents of a master forger.
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 Posted 04/02/2015  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic biz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great looking coin
100% a OK

yours

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 Posted 04/03/2015  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a same coin but I can't see any remnant left from the host coin. My coin is 27.00 grams and 41-0-41.2 mm. Your coin looks very nice so no red flag to me.
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Thanks everyone for your comments.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin - certainly has the look of a genuine item.

Lucky Cuss you say:


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Not within my (limited) areas of expertise, but I'd opine that the details you mention (traces of the original coin) would require the talents of a master forger.


The idea of leaving a trace of the under-type visible was intentional. Mathew Boulton came up with the idea that by adjusting the striking pressure he could leave a trace of the host coin to deter forgers. It really did not work because within a few weeks a forger had made dies which included a partial 8R design. As far as counterfeits go the ones with the 8R traces are fairly scarce and bring a premium from counterfeit collectors like myself.
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