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1936 Italy 20 Lire Coin

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 Posted 04/24/2023  8:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wizened to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

1936-Italy-20-Lire-Coin
1936-Italy-20-Lire-Coin
1936-Italy-20-Lire-Coin
1936-Italy-20-Lire-Coin

This is nearly certainly a fake. It weighs 19.79 grams (spec weight is 20 grams). It does have silver ring to it. I believe I tested it before with specific gravity and that it was consistent with coin silver.

If there is interest I will relate how I came to possess this coin.

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 Posted 04/25/2023  04:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tks for the pics.
Would like to see more information.
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 Posted 04/28/2023  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wizened to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, the story how I got this coin. About 5 years ago I won an ebay auction for a 5 lire crown coin, nothing special, mostly a stacker coin. Instead I was sent this coin, which if real could be worth $1,000. I did not think it was genuine, but not clearly a fake, and wrote the guy about the "mix-up", and said if he wanted I would just keep it and let it go at that, figuring I got a 20 gram silver coin instead of a 25 gram silver coin (if I was right about it being silver). He did not ask for the coin back.

As to why it is fake, the circumstances of how I got it makes me believe that. Maybe the seller tried to slab it and learned about it, and then found a way to get something out of it.

A guy at a coin shop looked at the distorted/dinged edge shown in my third picture and said maybe that is where a casting was filled. Counterfeits of the coin are out there.

https://www.ngccoin.in/resources/co...op/world/12/

They report: "Most counterfeit examples of this type are older transfer die fakes. While they are pretty high quality, they often have spikes emerging from the reeding."

There was a post about another coin like it 3 years ago here. That coin looks more questionable to me. Commentary suggested that looking at the edge carefully could be key to making a determination.

http://goccf.com/t/380915

The coin looks fairly good. Nothing is that obviously wrong with it. If it were a $60 coin I might figure it was genuine. It was how I got the coin that makes me believe it is fake, and the fact that that more than a few counterfeits are out there.

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