2nd one seems to have an interesting history. It bears the portrait of William Henry of Orange, who later became king of England, but the coin itself is from one of his holdings in southern France, a feudal principality he controlled under the crown of France.
@pum, that is a nice duet of coins you have there. With the great amount of remaining detail, you should be able to find these on your own. For example, when I searched with the keywords 1665 and HONOR in numista, I got this single result:
Yes , @Spence I get some basic info when I research but sometimes it turns out a coin is actually only a token/medal or not from the place I thought it is , so this is why I ask here. @captainmandrake1 - that is some very interesting story indeed, thank you !
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